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Bob said :-
Ren, I'd like to pick your brains if I may? I've recently bought a KLX250 as I need a light weight bike. I absolutely love it but after years of riding big singles I can't quite convince myself that 250cc is enough. I know you've covered many miles on small capacity bikes and I hope you can answer the $64,000 question - what do you do about the tailgating tw*t in the Audi when you're struggling up an incline?
Do you indicate and pull in, grimace and bear it, pull to a stop in the middle of the road drag him from his car and beat him to death? etc...
Honestly, I'd be happy with any bike of any capacity if it wasn't for the agressive behaviour of Audi boy.
31/08/2017 06:36:30 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Bob. Please note that other tailgating vehicles are available but's usually a GETS (Germanic Executive Transportation System).

Of course the correct thing to do is find a safe place to pull in and let him past. That way you are more likely to survive - despite being big tough bikers unfortunately our bodies are but flesh and bone whereas GETS are metal. Being a real human being with feelings though I'd suggest fitting a rearward facing flamethrower.

Seriously? If you are riding at a slow speed - 40mph in a 60 zone for example then as much as it would gripe me it is fair to let other drivers past. How often have we cursed inside our helmets at dothering buffoons when we're on our big fast bikes? If you're doing 55mph in a 60 then I'd hold my position.

What I often find is drivers are unaware they're actually too close. In poor conditions motorcycles have to negotiate corners and roundabouts more delicately than a car and drivers get too close. If I gesture calmly for them to back off around 80% of them will, quite graciously. If they don't then your dealing with a plonker and a menace, these are the kind of drivers who would happily driver over you if you were to take a tumble so be really careful.
31/08/2017 12:33:53 UTC
Ross said :-
AHEM! Bikers drive Audi's too...just as all bikers don't like being tarred with the same brush neither do Audi drivers! Just saying...

Suzuki Inazuma 250 and Audi TTS (I love 'em both!)

31/08/2017 13:29:19 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Ross. The TTS isn't actually a GETS because it's not particularly executive. Also I will shamefully admit that there are perhaps more Audi and GETS drivers whose driving is just fine than those that are not. It is notable though that the likelihood of being tailgated by a GETS is considerably higher than other classes of car.

I'm just heard 2 motorcycles pass the end of my street (a 30 zone) at what must have been considerably more than 30mph. As you say we don't like being tarred with the same brush.

I hope my female friend is not reading this. She rather likes the TTS and she'll be asking me to get your number for her.
31/08/2017 21:56:58 UTC
Bob said :-
Interesting comments. Yes not all Audi drivers are Aholes but I have to agree with Ren, at the moment they are statistically the most likely. Back in the day it was Vectras Mondeos, then BMW and now it's Audi - I think it's whatever car is the flavour of the moment with the middle managers.
Anyway, I've been thinking about this. I cycle 10 miles each way to work in busy traffic and I don't have a problem with being overtaken then. I wonder if simply moving right over to let the car past then out again would work. The problem is whether they'd overtake safely or (more likely) not.
Once I pulled a very dodgy manouver, I moved onto the right hand side of the road at which point tail-gater is getting nearly alongside but wondering what is happening, then I jammed the brakes on forcing him to do an undertake. It worked and he was noticeably shaken. I don't think I'd need to to that too many times before someone reacted with panic and swerved, wiping me out.
01/09/2017 19:00:52 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Oh my word! Bob, yeah, that's perhaps not been the wisest move in your motorcycling career. I...ahem...must admit my riding has not always been as professional and considerate as it might have been in the past either so you're not alone.

It is soooo SOOO tempting to pull a manoeuvre that will put the wind up an inconsiderate driver and teach them a lesson but have a quiet word with yourself inside your helmet. If it goes wrong there's only really one person that is gonna end up in the back of an ambulance.

On the bicycle you know without any question that you are slow and it is completely normal to be overtaken on a push bike. It's easy to accept because it is entirely logical.

01/09/2017 19:39:38 UTC
Bob said :-
I've been practicing, riding my XR125.
A few times I've simply moved over to the left, indicated left and the car has come past. Actually I've noticed that the drivers often look bit sheepish, shocked that they've bullied someone out of the way. I agree that in general they don't seem to realise that they're doing it.
03/09/2017 18:22:15 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
It's a bit like car drivers moving over to let a bike filter. If I'm slowing another vehicle down I'll try to get out of the way rather than possibly provoke someone. You have no idea whether the car following is being driven by a homicidal maniac. And I have to admit to some dodgy manoeuvres myself when commuting on the bike......
04/09/2017 11:28:45 UTC
Bob said :-
That's a side-effect of changing to smaller capacity bikes that I am quite enjoying - the way they make me ride. When out on my XT660R I pretty much always ended up riding like a cock the whole time, pushing in, carving up, zooming about. Now on the XR125 and KLX250 I'm much better behaved, I get where I'm going in the same time and arrive there in much better mental state!
My car is very slow and we get overtaken a lot so I'm trying to channel my car self when I'm on the bike. The difference of course is that if I'm holding someone up in my 4x4 with a tow bar sticking out the back I don't feel so vulnerable.
We'll see, if I can't stand it I'll have to go to the other extreme and get a KTM690R - but I know full well how I'd end up riding that.....
04/09/2017 15:00:41 UTC
Matt Mac said :-
Hi everyone I would like to thank Ian for his reference to the Ariel forum . I bought it in boxes but mostly there ,but sure half the fun will be chasing parts . Would love to ride the Manx course on it but it will probably be on the Innova 9bhp instead of the 350 Ariel 13bhp I know I put my Ariel comments on the wrong link but it seemed appropriate to follow Ian Ariel Arrow, thanks again everyone
04/09/2017 19:17:58 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Matt Mac. I see from your stray comment you certainly have had a look around!

Unfortunately the last time I suggested using Sharon and the French Maid outfit to create saucy images for motorcyclists she battered me so badly I couldn't ride for weeks. She might be small but she's bloody vicious.

I've been talking to a friend about his M21 BSA side valve tonight. I do like a nice simple side valve motor, do you think it'll be possible to pop one into the CBF125 frame Ian and Matt? You any good with a welder Bob?
04/09/2017 22:07:19 UTC
Bob said :-
I've got a welder, but I'm not particularly good with it! I tend to have to go through multiple weld - grind - weld cycles.
Side valves are very inefficient, having just filled up my XR125L and calculated out 102.3MPG I'd be loathe to fit a heavier engine that makes less power and returns a third of that economy!
The XR has a pushrod engine, that's far enough back in time for me. It eliminates the blight of failed cams in small engines whilst returning almost the same performance.
05/09/2017 09:08:14 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
"Side valves are inefficient" - well, yes but.....

Most side valves were designed to be slogging side car pullers so had low compression ratios and small valves / carburetters. But they have the advantage, shared with OHC engines of a very rigid path between the cam and the valve. Compare with the willowy pushrods on my Sunbeam or Norton.

This means that, if the mixture can be persuaded in and out of the combustion chamber, and if a high compression ratio and efficeint combustion chamber can be achieved, a side valve engine can in fact produce very respectable power levels.

Harry Ricardo in the 1920s showed the way - he invented the "squish" cylinder head which had minimal clearance over the piston. And some Harley Davidsons in the 1970s actually produced very good power outputs.

The link shows some mods that can be made to the Norton 16H (side valve equivalent of my ES2) to improve power and efficiency. ...
05/09/2017 10:22:28 UTC
Matt Mac said :-
Hi,I would probably stick with the Honda instead of the M21 ,if I was you.A light frame 600cc approx ,fit a sidecar to stop the tyres going flat something to stop it with,when you get it going. Fuel but you could carry extra in the sidecar.I would try for the hundred k on the Honda .I can weld but you would find fractures beyond the welds ,not that I would try to put you off or anything . Interestingly I seen what you paid for your insurance on the Honda .I paid £146 fully comp for the Innova 3rd party would have been £106 so I am happy as I probably have not been on a bike in 30 years !
05/09/2017 19:40:35 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I was joking about putting a sidevalve engine in the 125! Really, I've barely the nouce to make my much maligned handguards let alone swap out a motor for a different one. I'm just pleased someone thought I could.

I like sidevalves for their simplicity. Tappets adjustable from the side and a cylinder head that can be easily removed. I also like the idea of a separate engine and gearbox. 2 distinct items that can be worked on individually and have the correct oil for the job.

That said I fully understand the advantage of overhead cam designs and why motorcycle engines are "unit" construction.

Now...pre unit 125-250cc super efficient side valve....hmmmmmmmmmmmm...oh and modern frame modern handling...long stroke for good torque... I'm starting to dribble.
06/09/2017 06:50:40 UTC
Bob said :-
Pre-unit? Not for me.
You've got a primary chain and tensioner to worry about then. Unit construction with geared primary drive is the way. Vertically split cases are harder to work on than horizontally split and unfortunately all the "simple" single engines seem to be veritcally split.
Pulling the head off an OHV like the XR125 is no more difficult than on a two-stroke as there is no camchain or timing to worry about.
06/09/2017 07:40:47 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Geet one of them massive rubber bands like the Harleys use for the primary drive.

Yes - of course the CG125 with pushrods is almost as simple to work on as a stroker or indeed a sidevalve. Mind you Harleys have pushrods too. Please...please do NOT let me persuade myself to get a Harley. Hmmm, the pushrod models are all large capacity, 883 and above, the 750 and I think the 500 are both camchain driven and unit construction. PHEW. Actually there's nowt wrong with Harleys they just don't make a small capacity model these days.

06/09/2017 12:46:03 UTC
Matt Mac said :-
444520mDear Editor , all is possible if you have the time and skills or the funds to pay someone else to do it. Probably cheaper to take Sharon and you on a world cruise or take the cheaper option as intended . Just a bit of fun and keep going to the 100 k on the 125 Honda (miles) that is????
06/09/2017 18:26:24 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Matt Mac, I have neither the time or the skills and I'm far too tight to pay someone else to do it. I'll not be taking Sharon on a world cruise either but I might treat her to a soggy weekend in Scunthorpe one day if she's good.

I make no promises with regards the 125 reaching the big 100,000 miles. All I can say is I recently passed the 2/3rds of the way there mark. My intention is to keep on going. I think you're more excited about it than I am.
06/09/2017 21:15:05 UTC
Borsuk said :-
World cruises are overrated.

At least from the busman's view. :-)

07/09/2017 00:57:50 UTC
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