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Ren - The Ed said :-
Flip flops! Gosh darn it!! I could have made 20 pairs of flip flops and sold them on Ebay for £30 a pair. Right I'm off back to the tip, see if I can get them back.
21/07/2018 14:04:12 UTC
Bill said :-
Get your wallet ready Ren they charge to take tyres at council tips :-(
21/07/2018 15:50:26 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Not at my tip they don't. Keep ya trap shut Bill otherwise they'll hear and start charging.
21/07/2018 17:07:11 UTC
Bill said :-
HaHa Ren they will not hear me in Manchester from here :-)
If you give me your address we can send all old tyres to you as postage will be cheaper than disposal:-)
I purchased two new tyres for the CBF250 recently and the cheapest mail order with delivery, then fitting charge of £10 per loose wheel, when compared with my local tyre place supplying and fitting was virtually the same.Our council charges £5 per tyre to take your old ones. :-( disposal is include at tyre shop.
It also hopefully helps to support the local business and helps for any future issues that may arise as not much you can do if mail order. It's also nicer dealing with a person rather than a computer ordering system.

24/07/2018 09:56:48 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Yeah you have to weigh things up. Sometimes it's only a couple of quid dearer to get a tyre from a shop and fitted at the shop making it not worth the effort of doing it yourself. However recently a friend saved £80 by buying a tyre online rather than through the local tyre shops. Then it's worth the effort.
25/07/2018 07:31:19 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
It also depends whether you trust the shop. When I bought my Triumph Tiger part of the deal was to replace the rear tyre - done in their workshop by Triumph trained "technicians".

As this was my first nearly new bike I thought I would be safe in their hands.

I always felt the bike pulled to one side slightly so after a while decided to investigate. On these bikes the rear chain adjustment is via big eccentrics clamped in the fork ends by pinch bolts. When you take the wheel out you must NOT disturb these but just undo the nut on the spindle and withdraw it as usual.

It will not surprise some here when I discovered that the eccentrics were nowhere near lined up and it was clear that one at least had been undone when removing / replacing the wheel. Added to their total incompetence and lies when the bike overheated readily ("they all do that sir") and which must have taken me all of 30 minutes to research online and another hour to fix I decided to revert to my usual habits and do all work myself.

I suppose I would let someone do an actual tyre change but only if I was standing over them......
26/07/2018 10:11:31 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
If possible I prefer to cock things up myself - that way I know what I've broken and can prepare or work around it. In my youth I once replaced the rear wheel and rode from Preston to Liverpool, wondering why the back end felt all wrong. Erm, yeah, I had only hand tightened the rear spindle.

I think the key for most people is to remove and replace the wheel themselves and let the shop do the job of swapping the rubber. Despite my experience and practice changing a tyre (tubeless in particular) is not an easy task.
26/07/2018 13:01:35 UTC
bill said :-
Yes Ren always only take loose wheel and it's to a tyre fitter and supplier not a bike shop and even then it takes time to find the one you trust. Tubed tyres on the CRF I still do myself but that's good practice for punchers out on the trails. All other repairs and service are done at home.
26/07/2018 13:44:54 UTC
bill said :-
Or punctures even rather than punches :-)the heat is getting to me !!!
26/07/2018 13:46:42 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Tubed tyres send a shiver down my spine. Blowouts, that's all recall about them.

Why oh why oh why oh why do we still have pneumatic tyres? Why do we entrust our lives to what are basically balloons? Oh look, something sharp - at best I'll be stuck at the roadside at worst I'll be having a crash.

I understand there are reasons - the most obvious is the ability to adjust the pressure to alter some of the characteristics of the tyre. How often do we adjust our tyre pressures though? Of road maybe but it's rare on the road.

From time to time we see options. "Mousses" and Tweel are examples. They never seem to get anywhere...is it because they're poop compared to pneumatic...or......is it a ...... conspiracy ... dun dun DAH!
27/07/2018 04:51:43 UTC
Henrik said :-
I still consider to modify my Zuma-wheels from tubeless to tube

On my trip to Lofoten I actually had spare tube and tools to remove the tubeless valve from the wheel

Yes, I can call for help in the middle of no-where, and hope they show up soon, to fix the tubeless tire, that I am not always able to myself, and also they got the bigger compressor that is most handy when you start blowing air back into the tubeless, (in case you succed to repair that is)

Also, a tubesless tire that is fixed, is not nessesaryly fixed more than just getting yourself to the nearest workshop, and wait for a new tire

With a tube, and just a normal pump, you are always more certain to be able to help your self out, even a larger damage can be "emergency-fixed" with a spare piece of rubber put inside, and bring you up running again, at least at a reduced speed, able to go back home in some kind of plan-b

I have equipped the bike with a central stand as the first thing, in orde to do a repair quickly if nessesary

Norway is a remote location, but also extremely expensive, to get help in a workshop will most likely ruin you, and generally spoken I also don't leave my bike to someone I don't trust. Therefor I plan for own solutions, if the bike brakes totally down I would most likely find a train or plane to Sweden, go get my car/trailer, and return to pick up the bike

There is always a back-side of something good ;-)

Picture from "Trolltunga" few weeks back

27/07/2018 09:15:59 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
I modified my Tiger's wheels (spoke type) to tubeless. See here:


The photos seem to have disappeared but I can supply links if anyone's interested. I ran the bike for a further 15,000 miles and several years with no problems at all.

See also some of the hysterical responses.

Of course I'm not recommending anyone else does this.......
27/07/2018 09:56:34 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
link properly added:

www.triumphrat.net/tiger-workshop-archive/46888-what-i-did-on-my-holidays-spoke- ...
27/07/2018 09:57:00 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
Actually I misread your post Henrik.

I think there are very very few circumstances where a tubed tyre is better than a tubeless one. The latter can almost always be fixed by the roadside quite easily. If you insist you can always carry a tube to put inside the tubeless tyre. The tyres on my Tiger were in fact marked tubeless but had tubes from new.
27/07/2018 10:33:39 UTC
Henrik said :-
Ian, did read your post, and some responses,...

Don't know the way you use your bike, maybe different than me, maybe you feel more safe working with tubeless, than me, maybe calling for help or interrupting a trip is not a problem for you, maybe that's why for YOU tubeless makes sense

As for my part I did try to bring my point, and explain why I likely go from tubeless and to tube soon, I can say 100 pct sure that chances I can keep rolling, on my own hand, is overall better with tubes

Guess my points does not makes sense :-)

Been working for years with tubes, mostly offroad, it works for me, until now I got the Zuma, I could use next winter to gain skills working with tubeless repair,by praxis fixes over and over again, but why should I, when I would still not feel as safe and familiar as with tubes,.. to me tubes was never a problem

There might be technical reasons, and situations where tubeless is better, even safety, who knows, but for me, being self-maintained, in any situation, is top priority always, so is usings solutions that I am familiar with,..

I don't whant to call a number, and wait for others to step in, on their terms

27/07/2018 10:42:45 UTC
Henrik said :-
Our posts did cross eachother :-)

Definitely I will always carry a tube, as a minimum :-)

I will have to find out exactly how to tackle things before next season

Sofar 7500 km on tubeless with no problem this summer :-) :-) :-)
27/07/2018 10:46:16 UTC
Rod said :-
I prefer a tubeless tyre for safety reasons.
I admit that a tubed tyre is easier to fix at the roadside, but it is not so easy from a hospital bed.
I have finished up in the hedge on two occasions when tubed tyres have punctured.
Two years ago I had a puncture with tubeless tyres and noticed the bike was slow handling and a bit unstable, but it did not throw me off. The tyres were worn, and it was the rear tyre which had punctured. I rode the bike back home two up, at 40mph for about 40 miles without any problem.
The tyre was changed as it was almost worn out, but it did not look like the tyre had sustained any damage riding it back home.
27/07/2018 13:19:45 UTC
Henrik said :-
Rod, Its an interesting thing, if tubeless tires are actually so stiff that you could continue your trip without air, I have heard about new types of tires that actually can do this, but then again, hpw about a heavy loaded tour-bike ? Still tubes could be used in a tubeless still, as an extra option

Something else, I hate punctures, and consider slime also, I guess that goes better with a tube, (even thought it is told to work with tubeless as well)

If nothing else, then for the purpose of keeping it a little more sealed :-)

Lets say in a tubeless you use slime, in some cases it works perfect, but in other cases it doesn't work, and is a just slimy hell greasing the tire, and you, all over, and prevent the normal tubeless tools from working

www.slime.com/us/index.php ...
27/07/2018 15:20:34 UTC
bill said :-
Tubed tyres on the CRF trail bike have security clamps and enduro tyres can be run at very low pressure so don't see a safety issue. Punctures usually felt by strange handling but never chucked off. I have actually ridden several miles back to the trailer when too near the end of day to bother with a repair with no problem but would be very different on a heavy bike. When trail riding you need to be self sufficient so carry a front tube which can be used in the rear as a get you home, tyre levers, hand pump and puncture repair kit, no use calling breakdown service when halfway up a mountain. Also run Michelin heavy duty tubes. It whatever works for you and your chosen machine, My CBF road bike runs tubeless and I carry a plug type repair kit but on road help is usually readily accessible but still nice to be self sufficient.

Puncture repair
27/07/2018 23:09:29 UTC
Henrik said :-
Alone in the mountains I would likely settle with just heavy-duty tubes, Slime, Sparetubes, and two handy-pumps with CO2 Cartridges. In EnduRomania however most of us used Mousse, to not get our one week in the mountain spoiled by punctures

28/07/2018 06:56:39 UTC
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