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Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
What is this? Last of the Summer Wine for Truck Mechanics? I feel very, very young all of a sudden.
27/3/2020 3:02:38 PM UTC
Upt'North said :-
Although I definitely wasn't in this world when it was built I have worked on this.
No1. 1933 I think with a Gardner 4LW.
Upt'North.

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27/3/2020 3:57:58 PM UTC
Bill said :-
See what happens when we are forced to stay home us old guys start to reminisce

Upt I taught the course at Leyland just up the road from ERF, just ignore the young wiper snappers comment
27/3/2020 6:18:40 PM UTC
Upt'North said :-
He isn't that young, but can be a little snappy.
What date was that Bill, I'm guessing it would be about 78 ish for me.
Upt'North.

To preempt the "young snappy one", no not the 1870's.
27/3/2020 9:14:18 PM UTC
Bill said :-
Upt, I started with them in 1977 as mechanic became trainer in 1983 but been in the business from leaving school and starting apprenticeships 1968 now I do feel old
27/3/2020 11:21:16 PM UTC
Bill said :-
Before we get moaned at for off topic truck discussion. I treated the cbf 250 to new oil and filter and blew out the air filter, fitted a replacement battery after winter killed it and fitted optimate lead to keep it healthy. Also gave the Yamaha BWS an oil change its filter is a simple mesh type clean and refit.But on the downside the Yams mot appointment for last sat was cancelled due to lockdown, we have been given a six months extension for mot but can't use them just for pleasure trips but a small price to pay in the current situation.
Stay safe all
Now where are those old truck pictures ;-)
27/3/2020 11:40:35 PM UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Whipper Snapper!!! WHIPPER SNAPPER!!!!! There aren't enough capital letters and exclamation marks to convey my disgruntlement properly!!!!!!!

I've forgotten what I was disgruntled about now. Oh well. And why am I standing in the kitchen? Am I hungry?

Bill when you say Leyland I'm guessing not only Leyland Trucks but at the town of Leyland? One of my old stomping grounds as a yoof that. The Eagle and Child pub is where this young greasy rocker started hanging out with the greasy bikers and somewhere in the melee of beer and herbal remedies I became addicted to motorcycling. I'd like to say "Halcyon Days" but no, I wouldn't go back there emotionally. I'd like that young chap's body back though.

In all seriousness I don't mind the truck talk. We're not strict about keeping on topic at all, just keep it family friendly.
28/3/2020 8:18:29 AM UTC
Bill said :-
Yes Leyland town but only for work not to live although have been in the Eagle & child
This was my commuter in nice weather

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28/3/2020 11:04:35 AM UTC
nab301 said :-
My favourite colour scheme for that bike.
Nigel
28/3/2020 1:26:45 PM UTC
Upt'North said :-
Bill, "The Man" said to keep it family friendly and you post pure sexiness.
If it isn't talking about the knob on your gearbox it's this.
Ban him Ed. Go on.
Naughty boy.
Upt'North.
28/3/2020 1:30:03 PM UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Utter FILTH!! Now, this all gets a little hazy. As I understand it was either the VF750 and/or the VF1000 that came direct from the factory fitted with chocolate camshafts. This faux pas nearly crippled Honda which lead them to create the seriously over-engineered VFR750. Am I just repeating pre-facebook-facts or is there any truth in these tales?

I would ban him obviously Upt' except, well, erm, you might have noticed there's no login system?
28/3/2020 7:39:26 PM UTC
nab301 said :-
According to an old copy of UMG (used motorcycle guide (A5 sized magazine)) that I have, incorrect valve adjustment led to early engine demise on the Vf750 @ as little as 30k miles but the VF 1000 had gear drive cams (along with huge mass (530lbs,) ponderous handling and fragile gearbox) which obviously turned up later in the VFR750.
Nigel
28/3/2020 10:29:58 PM UTC
Bill said :-
The good news was the VF500 generally had no top end issues but there is always a but their weakness was a batch of soft big end bearings. So during a trip to the Dutch tt pulling hard a big end started tapping. Did an oil change at camp site but no big metal pieces, so set off for UK, no European breakdown cover, gradually every time at low revs the oil light came on. Nursed it back to Calais and once on UK side AA recovery to home.strip down revealed big end failure and crank damage. More bad news Mr Honda does not supply oversize bearings. At the time there was a one make race series the VF500 cup from memory, so after much research I found a company in Essex who could machine the con rods to except glacier bearings they had commissioned a batch of and machine crankshaft,as they had done several of the race engines. When done I rebuilt the engine and it ran beautifully but, another but,I never had 100% trust in the bike again for a long trip, despite the bottom end being better than new so it was part exchanged for a BMW boxer in spat against complicated engines.
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29/3/2020 12:03:31 PM UTC
Upt'North said :-
That's when boxers did what they should, kept your boots waterproof and didn't have enough power to destroy the drive train.
Nice picture.
Upt'North.
29/3/2020 5:21:21 PM UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I was looking at the all new GS1250 details online. It now has variable valve timing. It's a 2 stage affair and rather than explain it I'll add a link to a video that will do a much better job.

The idea is to have great low end torque and massive high end power. Great. But sheeeeeez I mean really? You know my feelings - "no need" and "my 500 already exceeds all speed limits". It all brings to mind HDTV, 4k and now 8k. BMW need to, have to, totally must find another upgrade, a new edge, a things to say "this is better" otherwise what reason is there to upgrade your 2019 BMW GS1250A to the 2020 BMW GS1250A?

I suppose this is why boxers now how the power to destroy their drive train?

Some of Honda's most reliable models came out after their debacles in the 80s. The NTV range of motors which came out in 400, 600, 650, 750 and 800 sizes (some going that) were bulletproof as were the VFR's although they were complicated. The Pans too just worked and worked and worked.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4q7Iu9QYOc...
30/3/2020 8:59:03 AM UTC
nab301 said :-
Interesting video , I guess an electrically operated "pin" engages with the scroll gear on the end of the cam and drives it across to a different cam profile?
As you say manufacturers have to keep upgrading even if it's just new colour schemes every year, it's what keeps sales
figures up and shareholders happy but lets not forget it keeps us supplied with relatively inexpensive vehicles compared to say 40 years ago as a percentage of our income.
Think of Enfield India , they produced the same 50's based bike barely changed right up to the noughties , there was no need to upgrade , you just got you bike overhauled or customised it yourself , sales remained static. Then, Introduce new models , new markets , sales approaching 7 figures but like all bubbles I guess they have to burst sometime , I think 2018 was the last year of growth , certainly in the home market?
Nigel
30/3/2020 3:34:06 PM UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
The 2 pins "grab" a slot in the end of the cam to move it to the selected position. Soft cams for low revs giving good economy and torque, hard cams for high engine speed performance. Having seen a couple of reviews the complaint is there are now 2 steps, 2 powerbands in the rev range so to speak. This is all well and good till you're either off-road or mid corner and the cams swap causing unexpected changes in power output. And of course it is another thing to go wrong.

I'm always torn in my feelings about product development.

On the one hand I just see blatant consumerism for the sake of profit, ego and capitalism. The idea of buying a new bike because of the new colour scheme alone is just an environmental catastrophe. On the other hand consumerism and capitalism can lead to improvements in fuel economy, safety and even... dare I say - fun! It's a balance thing, I'd rather we tipped the balance toward useful improvements leading to sales rather than changes in colour and a new shaped rear light.

But yeah, lots of low mileage and very clean used motorcycles ain't a bad thing for folks like myself.
1/4/2020 10:46:15 AM UTC
Upt'North said :-
Just read that Garner sold the 961 engine including all tooling to Jinlang way before Norton demised and whilst still taking orders for new bikes and obviously customers money. He's a piece of work isn't he?
Apparently they will use it in forthcoming bikes designed in Italy but obviously manufactured in cheaper labour markets.
Upt'North.
2/4/2020 9:28:17 AM UTC
nab301 said :-
Ren , are you old enough to remember these? I think they're from the 80's.... Dug one out of a drawer a few years ago when doing a major clean up at home

Nigel

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2/4/2020 4:02:55 PM UTC
Ian Soady said :-
5 1/4" floppy disc? Modern stuff. Some of us were brought up on tape (paper and magnetic) drives and punched 80 column cards.

My first programming job was in a company that ran mainframe programs for vehicle fleet management. We wrote the programs (COBOL) by hand on coding sheets then passed them over to the punch "girls" who converted them to punched cards. They were then submitted to the machine operators overnight for compilation. If you made a slight error the whole lot would be spat out and another 24 hours would elapse till you could correct it. The most common error was missing a full stop off the end of a line, COBOL being particularly pernickety about such things. Fortunately that was one of the few errors we could correct ourselves using a hand punch. Of course to do this you had to be conversant with binary.

Happy days? Not really......
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2/4/2020 4:46:48 PM UTC

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