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Autumn is upon us as the nights draw in and the weather changes. Is it time to put the bikes to bed for the winter? No of course not! It's not like Ren's bike could get any dirtier could it.

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Sympathy For The Clutch Ren is issuing a Christmas Appeal - SAVE A CLUTCH! I'm sure he'd welcome all donations for his favourite charity - himself.
Whoops! Ren spends the morning humouring a salesman. Then he sets himself up for a fall. Spot the idiot.
UK And The Epilogue After an early start the Muppets return to good old Blighty where they catch up with BAT reader Ross. Poor Ross, he doesn't know what he's gotten himself into.
Bad Weather, Brilliant Roads Andy's first proper ride into Scotland is proving to be a cracker even if the weather is dire.
Familiarity And Food As the end of the trip draws near the surroundings become familiar. But will the Dynamic Muppets survive without sustenance?
Trouble, Tired And Transport There's trouble this morning so it's not the best start. Throw in a grumpy Sharon and a scowling local and you have another day on the road.
A Long Day And Night A long day on the road then a night out in the town? That'll be two tired travellers then.
Riding With Friends Cities aren't really Ren's things but with a little local knowledge he can cope. It's the countryside that gets him thinking.
Friends And Finally Scotland Day 2 and 3 of Andy's Scottish expedition - and he's only just reached the borders. He's having way too much fun and should be focused on heading North.
Breakdown Recovery - Expectations V Reality If you're unlucky enough to break down it might be wise to manage your expectations regarding your recovery insurance.
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Sympathy For The Clutch Upt'North said :-
OK Rod, you win.
Top trumps on clutches, who'd have thought it.
Upt'North.
20/11/2019 11:35:09 PM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch nab301 said :-
I have a'99 11 S version of the above which has 123k miles on the clock , purchased in '04 of which I've clocked about 110k miles admittedly with very little urban commuting but still on the original clutch. The only bike clutch I've had to replace was a '95 F650 back in '98 which used to slip for a few hundred miles everytime I changed the oil . I guess the previous owner had used incorrect oil , easy to replace but loads of plates and not cheap.
How long did the RT clutch last and how long did the job take ?
Nigel
20/11/2019 8:57:44 PM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch ROD said :-
At least the Pan does not require :- Bodywork, tank and seat removal. Rear Wheel Removal. Driveshaft Removal. Gearbox Removal, and contortions with the rear sub-frame to access the clutch.
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20/11/2019 7:23:32 PM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch Ian Soady said :-
You think that's bad....

The horn on my Norton Commando failed so I fitted a couple of Fiammas to replace it. Foolishly I then decided to remove the defunct item. It was fixed to the bottom of the battery carrier, which in turn was part of the rear isolastic (ask your dad) engine mounting system, which in turn acted as both an engine / gearbox mounting and the location for the centre stand pivots. I could unbolt the horn but there was no room to get it past either the swinging arm / isolastics or the gearbox.

The only way to get it out was to remove the whole lot so after a couple of hours struggling and cursing I decided that I would leave it where it was and suffer the weight penalty. Unfortunately as I'd managed to remove the fixing bolt but couldn't get it back in I had to cable tie it in position.

It was still there several years later when I sold the bike to a bloke from Norway. I wonder whether he ever sorted it out?
20/11/2019 11:47:48 AM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I concur re the slave cylinder. It seems a search of "ST1300 Clutch" leads to a tidal wave of distressed motorcyclists cursing Honda and a handful of guides showing how you can remove the slave without removing the engine - honest - if you have expensive specialist tools, 12 hours, skinny fingers and magic spanner dust.

It's another of those "why oh why" moments. Why the hell would you make the slave so inaccessible? Of course because in the factory that slave cylinder goes in at the start of the engine build process when access is as simple as "pop" and it's in. Then you wrap it all up in frame and exhaust and fairing and wire and coolant pipes...

So with the 1100 at least the job looks easy because the video creator has already removed the exhaust as well as many other things? Yes, it's a bit like opening the Haynes manual. In their nice clean workshop with their brand new engine already stripped and on the polished bench just popping the camshafts out to reshim the tappets looks so easy. Try it with the engine in the frame, surrounded by pipes and wires and cables, in a cold and dirty shed in January and lit by a fading torch and your mate's flickering standard lamp.

Lies I tell ya LIES!
20/11/2019 10:32:03 AM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch Marv said :-
Yeah, generally if I know I'm going to be stopped at a set of traffic lights for longer than 30 seconds, then I'll shift into neutral and hold on the brakes. Or pull in the clutch on the lever and hold on the brakes.
20/11/2019 10:24:44 AM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch Upt'North said :-
Ed, to clarify, I've checked the facts and here is the definitive detail of a ST13 clutch set up.
It differs from the ST11 in that the slave cylinder is at the rear of the engine but yes indeed the clutch still remains at the front.
To access the slave on the 13 is the more difficult part and requires the "ET" finger apprentice and seven wobbly ends on the extension bar or a lot of dismantling to get to it.
I've thought back and can't actually remember a discussion about changing a 13 clutch, I naively thought it would be on the same end as the slave. Although I also haven't heard of many 11 clutch changes either, I put this down to them being Honda's.
Looking at the engine views I would say the 13 would be a more entertaining clutch change than an 11.
The 11 isn't quite as easy for some as you allude to because the downpipes, I think on the right bank, can prevent the slave cylinder removal. It would appear some have removed it in an Ay Presto moment and others have had to slacken/remove the headers. This could well be due to whether the headers have been changed to aftermarket or not.
Apologies if I misled anyone. I'm off to flagellate myself.
Upt'North.
20/11/2019 9:53:05 AM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Looking online at YouTube vids it's clear the 1100 has the clutch at the front of the motor and is covered by a simple casing with 9 bolts. Once the fairings and crash bars are removed the actual act of replacing the clutch is relatively simple.

I could only find one BLOG about the ST1300 clutch and the images suggest the clutch is still at the front but much more of the engine casings need to be removed. Of course this is the internet, this could be for a BMW k1600 for all I know...
http://stupendous1300.blogspot.com/2013/02/front-cover-removed-and-clutch-expose...
20/11/2019 9:16:23 AM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch Upt'North said :-
The clutch on the 11 is accessible through the front although the downpipes and a lot of plastic spoil the party.
The 13 is a different kettle of fish with the clutch on the back hidden by, well just about everything from the headstock back. The slave can be worked on apparently by only part disassembly and then laying the bike over on a mattress, from memory, which may be wrong I think the Honda workshop manual advises to remove the engine.
Upt'North.
19/11/2019 11:20:30 PM UTC
Sympathy For The Clutch ROD said :-
I have never worked on a pan, but I thought that the clutch setup was the same for the 1100 and 1300?
19/11/2019 6:54:19 PM UTC
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Go To Chit-Chat Upt'North said :-
Oops. I will be driving my four wheeled vehicle to deliver my new to me seat for the BeaST to South Shield tomorrow. A company by the name of Saddle Craft Seating are to be entrusted with the gel seat inserts and the recover. I'll let you know how it goes.
Upt'North.
20/11/2019 5:42:51 PM UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Flagellation is not good enough for you, boy!
20/11/2019 10:33:24 AM UTC
Upt'North said :-
You cud always use a car?
I know, I know, more flagellation. There aren't enough hours in the day.
Upt'North.
20/11/2019 9:56:50 AM UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
When I wur a younger man I spent a couple of years dispatching. At one point I fitted handlebar muffs in search of warm pinkies. While traversing the motorway the traffic in front stopped so I applied my front brake. Or at least I tried to but the headwind had collapsed the muff onto the lever. I survived but it was rather a "brown" moment.

This is NOT to say don't fit handlebar muffs, this is to ensure, doubly, trebly, that all the levers and switches remain safely operable at all given speeds. Beware the floppy muffs... (no, stop, don't, stop typing)

Admittedly this is the reason I prefer rigid handguards. While not as effective as a muff they stay where they are. I'd say handguards are the difference between "Bloomin' Nora! Me fingers ain't 'arf cold." And "ARGH! Pain! Agony! I'm going to have to stop otherwise I'll lose fingers to frostbite!"


20/11/2019 9:26:16 AM UTC
Borsuk said :-
I bought a set for my 125 but once I fitted them I wasn`t happy with them.
I might try fitting a set of hand guards first then a set of muffs over them so the hand guards keep them further out from my fingers.
20/11/2019 12:53:46 AM UTC
ROD said :-
Jim, I have never felt that the muffs trap my hands to the bars, but there is a wide choice of muffs available now, so I would suggest trying a pair with a larger access to the bars if it is a concern.
If you are only concerned about tying your hands to the bars when you drop the bike, STOP DROPPING THE BIKE!! lol.
19/11/2019 6:22:22 PM UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Fly - Any monokey mounting plate will do. I had a random one lying around and I used nuts, bolts and bits of metal to affix it to the rack. I'll add a link to a "universal" one on Ebay.

Thing is chaps it seems MOST folks want bigger houses and not bigger garages. As such there aren't many big garages attached to a small houses. I'm looking for a 4 bay garage with a studio flat attached...
https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/E251-Topcase-Carrier-Plate-for-Monokey-Suitcase-GIVI-Mo...
19/11/2019 4:47:11 PM UTC
Jim said :-
That sounds perfect, Ian. Think if we ever downsize the house I'll upsize the garage to compensate. Height enough for a ramp would be the bees knees. Kettle and a camp bed and that's me sorted. Rod - the muffs look great, but is it easy to get your hands free if you have to? Having recently dropped the bike the thought of effectively tying my hands to the bars is a bit of a concern.
19/11/2019 11:00:00 AM UTC
Ian Soady said :-
Nice little house Jim, even has a shed! Go on Ren - good access to the Highlands as well (although not so good access to Sharon.....)

Coincidentally we are planning a house move in the near future. The one we're buying has (wait for it) a double garage, a large workshop AND a separate garage which is currently housing a 1920s Rolls Royce. Sadly the sellers want to take the Rolls with them.

But it's a bit more than £49,000.......
19/11/2019 10:00:39 AM UTC
Fly said :-
Hi Ren, quick question. Which monokey mounting plate do/did you have fitted to your CBF125 to hold the Givi E45 topbox?

I've picked up a nice little CBF125 (with a rack fitted) and I have an old E45 box in the attic that I'd like to fit to it.

Cheers!
18/11/2019 10:36:29 PM UTC
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