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Seized Centre Stand Solution V2

Bodge Date - 04 November 2016

By Ren Withnell

In my previous post I tried a solution to stop the pivot pin for the centre stand on my CBF 125 seizing into the stand itself, making removal nigh-on impossible (Seized Centre Stand Solution). This has proven to be successful for about 6 months then the other day I noticed a peculiar "groink" sound when I took the bike off the centre stand. Hmmmmm.

Inspection revealed the wire I had used to secure the pin in place AND to keep it stationary in reference to the frame had unwound from the drain guide. I suspect while the pin was clean and freshly greased there was little friction in the turning force caused when the bike is put on - taken off the main stand. As time rolled by the grease has been washed away and rust has returned, greatly increasing the drag on the pin. As such this drag has overcome the perhaps rather feeble wire I used to keep it in place.

The original method of keeping the centre stand still. Wire wrapped around a partThis worked a treat...for a while.

I need a better solution. 

My welding has moved on from absolutely useless to merely bad. I now feel confident enough to attach a piece of bar to the flared end of the pin that will somehow go somewhere to stop the pin rotating. I decide upon a plan and I actually manage to attach the 2 bits of metal together with my gasless "MIG" (MIG - Metal Inert Gas. How can it be MIG if it's gassless? It's wire feed arc welding.)

I use the bench grinder to shape my new attachment to fit between some sticky-out bits of metal on the frame then dip it into some random paint I have lying around the shed. Rust ought not to be an issue as this area is soaked in chain lube and 80W gear oil that is flung off the chain and front sprocket. I replace the stand, carefully locating the pin's new lump of metal such that it's trapped between the spring hanger and a footrest attachment. Whoop whoop! That ought to do it.

The pin with it's new bit of metal welded on and painted, ready to be fittedYip, that should be fine. That's actually a work of art from a hack like me.
the reworked pin is in place and the metal piece is trapped between part of the frameThe pin can only move a few degrees between the spring's holding point and the footrest hangar mount.

Reader's Comments

Bob said :-
That's the style. It's a pretty poor design really, not only does the stand seize to the spindle, but the spindle then frets the hole in the frame by spinning when it shouldn't.
My old CG125 was just the same.
8/11/2016 11:48:17 AM UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Yip Bob - there's plenty of rusty old frames with the centre stand firmly secured within them.

I have looked at the centre stand on the new 500. Much to my amazement the stand is set up such that the pin is bolted in place thereby stopping the issue! Of course Honda promotes such nonsense as "performance" and "power". They'd do better in my book to promote sensible touches like this.
8/11/2016 12:31:47 PM UTC
Archie said :-
Instead of using greas which ultimately gets washed out over time try using copperslip/copperease. It has better adhesion properties and therefore doesn't thin out so quickly.
17/2/2017 8:10:12 PM UTC
Ian Soady said :-
Copaslip and similar are not lubricants they are anti-seize compounds. Grease will not be washed out if you use the correct type.
18/2/2017 10:25:07 AM UTC
Ian Soady said :-
posted too soon: if you're worried about grease washing off use something like this:

18/2/2017 11:05:06 AM UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
You're all too late.

The centre stand, despite regular use, got stiffer and stiffer as time went by. A few weeks back the centre stand was almost impossible to move around the fixed pin. I resolved to soon remove the pin and grease it or even grind it down a little to allow some slack. Before I could implement my cunning plan the blasted piece I'd welded on...fell off. I told you my welding was "poor".

So I set about removing the pin to grind it, grease it and re-weld it. Nope. Pliers nope. Hammer nope. DIY slide hammer nope. After 3 hours I made an executive decision. The #@?&ing thing is staying there. I have decided to get on with my life.

DIY Slide Hammer
18/2/2017 6:05:43 PM UTC
tahrey said :-
S#!~, this isn't looking good for my intent to change my own... And if I do manage it, I'm not entirely sure how I'd go about stopping it from turning (which I had no idea was an issue up until now). Maybe find something else to wrap a stiff piece of wire around? Loop it around the frame somehow? The thing appears to be backwards in the frame anyhow at the moment, so perhaps even the last garage to work on it couldn't get it to go in the right way...
29/10/2018 2:43:10 PM UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
As I said tahrey - good luck!
29/10/2018 6:39:00 PM UTC
tahrey said :-
I hit a similar executive decision moment on finding that mine is seized to the brake pedal ... and the stand itself is bent. Stuff it, it can at least be removed again later if I need it to. Until then, the wonky stand will stay in the frame whilst I fix other stuff, unused and unstressed in favour of a bodged on side stand, and we'll see if it gets through MOT on a wing and a prayer.

In the meantime just keep pinging ebay and maybe the non-ebay-listed online breakers to see if a usable stand that doesn't cost £70 turns up, if so, straight replace (maybe buy two if they're cheap and available?) and forget about anything fancier. If it fails MOT and there aren't any cheap replacements, then go for the nuclear option. Or maybe just pay the dealer price in pursuit of a less stressful life...
7/11/2018 10:27:12 PM UTC

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