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Honda SH125 Mode Test Ride Review

Ride Date - 13 May 2016

By Ren Withnell

So my bike is in for it's first service and there's an hour or so to kill. The sales guy asks if I want to take another bike out. Hmmmmmmm...the new 1,000cc Africa Twin perhaps? Maybe the new NC750X or S? No, no I want to ride something different, something out of the ordinary and every day. Ah, how about the SH125? WHAT! A scooter? It's not even a funky sports scooter that would appeal to a youth, this is much more aimed at grannies who want to go shopping or dull unimaginative people who just need cheap reliable transport aren't they?. Surely it will be as dull as dishwater - it sounds right up my street.

Honda's SH125i side view outside the shop. A simple scooter
It's not ugly at all, neither is it super-cool or on-trend.

Before I place my tank bag under the seat I try to get my helmet in there. No, my full face AGV will not fit, this is designed for an open face lid. Disappointing already. I start the motor and it is as quiet as a sewing machine, that's actually a good thing in my book. With a momentary wobble while I adjust my brain to the new foot and seating position I set off into the traffic.

The space under the seat, large but not quite large enough for a full face lid
Not quite large enough, but still incredibly handy.

Ha! Cool. No gears to fuss over, no delicate feathering of the clutch just twist the grip and away we go. I have to adjust my brain once more to use the rear brake carefully as I keep on grabbing it like a clutch. That's one very effective rear brake as I nose dive into the clocks. Concentrate boy, this is not a regular motorcycle.

Right, good, we're off. The engine is remarkably sprightly, it feels more lively than the CB125F I tested recently. Getting up to 30mph is a cinch and once we're out on the open road 50 comes around easily too. Like most other 125s 60mph takes a while to reach although the engine is not screaming for mercy and the bike is stable and happy. 

I head into the countryside, curious about handling and fun factor. Having ridden motorcycles for so long the seating position with my feet close together in the footwell feels most peculiar and I wonder if I can move my weight around to man-handle the machine through the bends. After a short re-adjustment I'm happily whizzing along and cornering with confidence and a silly grin. I can tell that this shopping scooter, this dull commuter is not really designed to be ridden thus and yet it never tries to throw me off or steer me into a ditch. I'm having a blast.

The front brake and front wheel of Honda's scooter
Modern brakes and suspension all help to make this a good ride.

Of course back in town is where it really works best though. With no clutch or gears it is simplicity itself to ride. Stop-start, crawling along, short spurt to the next set of lights, carve the roundabout then brake hard for the pedestrian crossing, it is easier than breathing. The sit up and beg position is quite high which means I can see and be seen. With my legs inside the bike rather than alongside I am narrow and I feel a little less vulnerable too. 

This model has "ESP" which apparently stands for Enhanced Smart Power. ESP is a collection of technical wizardry to improve performance and economy. As a rider you won't be aware of anything other than the fact the engine stops when you're stopped, like many modern cars do. There's a switch on the bars to stop the bike doing this if it bothers you, but it really really should not. The motor restarts almost instantaneously the very moment you turn the throttle, no pause, no "kerthunk kerthunk" from the starter just immediate power within a quarter second. It's amazing and impressive it really is. How much fuel you'll save using this feature is debatable though.

The
ESP - Enhanced Smart Power allegedly.

There's 2 things that riding this scooter has given me. Firstly is an appreciation of how easy the modern scooter is to ride while remaining incredibly effective. Gone are the days of Mrs Miggins wobbling down the high street on her Vision Met-In, shopping bags on her handlebars, holding up the traffic with a plume of 2-stroke and doing 17mph. The SH125 will keep up with town traffic easily and cleanly then out of town a rider needn't fear being too slow for the highway. 

Secondly I've re-confirmed my belief that scooters are perfectly good motorcycles. If you said to me "Ren, we're off to ride around Scotland on SH125s, do you want to come with us?" I'd jump at the chance. The fun factor is there, there's a cheeky blob of performance, the handling is up to scratch and it would be a hoot to see the look on the "real" biker's faces when we all roll in to The Green Welly. 

I must admit I prefer a "real" motorcycle in terms of style. That is merely a preference due to my motorcycling history and deeply ingrained bias from my peers that scooter riders are either Mods, old ladies, nerds or people incapable of riding with gears. This is stupid and nonsensical prejudice on my behalf and I really need to get over it. It doesn't matter what you ride as long as you're riding. The SH125 is a scooter, it is also a very capable 125cc motorcycle.

Reader's Comments

said :-
Hi Ren,

I concur with your review as I have had an SH125 for 2 years now since new. It is remarkably stable to ride at 60mph plus and the economy is over 100mpg. The fairing is great when it is cold and particularly when it is wet so I have to say for commuting even with short stretches of motorway it makes more sense, dare I say it, than a motorcycle. The one thing you have to watch is that if stopping from 60mph suddenly you don't quite have the same stopping power. If I had to niggle I'd say I find the seat not quite right for me at 6ft tall although my son is very comfy as pillion on the wide seat with the top box to lean against. The other thing is the tank range being only about 140 miles although I carry an excellent fuel friend in the helmet area. If your riding at max on the motorway the fuel level drops quickly and you have to watch not to be caught out between service stations. I tried a forza 125 which is smoother and a little faster with a better tank range but the air roar put me off and it didn't seem worth the extra money.
By the way if you remember, I decided not to take the SH to Brussels from the W. Midlands. I bought a TDM 900 going cheapish and that made a nice touring companion having a bit of oomph and presence. I was glad to be on the TDM going round the M25, by far the worst bit of the trip, it wouldn't have been enjoyable on a scooter. The SH is nippy, economical, dependable and just a little cheeky - it's been one of my best buys!

Regards,
David
08/07/2016 08:37:19 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi David. Much as it pains me to say it there are many advantages to scoots. The leg protection being the biggest in my opinion. If the rain is tippling down your boots won't stay totally dry but they kop for a lot less spray. I imagine even the cheapest boots wouldn't get wet enough to leak. Also if you have a spill you're legs are less likely to be trapped by the bike.

The engine is hidden too. While this makes working on it a faff it also keeps it a lot cleaner and less likely to get electrical gremlins.

Right that's it, I'm getting an SH125 and an Intergra 750. Scoots and travels??
09/07/2016 06:22:15 UTC
Michael said :-
Ren,

The scooter you tested was the SH Mode, not the SH125i, that's the white one in the showroom window.
The 2016 SH125i has the combined breaking, ABS, front and back 240 mm disk brakes, different rear suspension and some other small differences.

I must say you make very nice and correct reviews, well done.
24/09/2016 08:20:57 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
You know what Michael...having had a quick look on the Honda website I believe you are quite correct and I've made an error. I shall correct this. I bow down to your superior wisdom on this matter! Cheers.

I can only write reviews as I see them. I'm glad you approve but I'm sure not everyone does.
25/09/2016 07:45:43 UTC
Michael said :-
Ren,

I only noticed the difference sinds I bought a Honda SH 125i to go to work a few weeks back, so no really I don't have the superieur intelligence.
The salesman wanted to sell me the Mode he had in the showroom, but I preferred the SH125i.

And once again I loved your review, keep up the good work, drive safe and have fun.
25/09/2016 06:24:24 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
So do you have the 125i now? What are you using it for...how many miles are you doing and so on and so on. It's one thing to test ride a bike for an hour it's another thing to live with one, own one and use it day in day out. Tell me about it?
26/09/2016 07:22:09 UTC
Tim from Jersey. said :-

I had an old Honda 90 wheeled it into the local Honda dealers with a puncture for repair, and was offered £500 for it in exchange against a new Honda SH125 which was already reduced because there was an off season discount offer. It was a no brainer so I asked for a top box to please be fitted and called back to collect it new, registered and in gleaming dark blue a couple of days later.

After five really abusive years and 9,000 miles it is a pleasure to confirm the only thing that has failed is the battery which I purchased and self fitted which took all of fifteen minutes. It has also never been serviced.

Hate me if you like, but you see I have two other big bikes and to be honest this little Honda Scooter thingy was all about light cheap transport and a little more protection for my aged legs. Then I noticed that the heavy weights were getting used less and less and in an overcrowded island in which is expensive to park a car, the little Honda was as Ren said a hoot to ride, quick with one person aboard and incredibly stable helped by the gyro effect of the large wheels.

On Jersey motorcycles attract no parking charges. I realised the other day that it was about time the rear tyre was renewed, and I actually bothered to check the oil level which needed about half a coffee cup of oil. I shall get it serviced in the next couple of months re the tyre, and the orange light that glows bright on the dash is starting to make me feel guilty. A friend purchased the next Honda model up with the same styling but the 300cc version. Jesus it is quick and just as quiet. Anyways as an epilogue, my sun bleached Honda is the most reliable easy to drive and live with two wheeled transport I have ever owned and I have had a few bikes in my time. The review is spot on except to get 100 mpg is optomistic unless you drive it like a granny. I get 90 to a tank before I refuel. If you buy one second/third or fourth hand, I suggest it has an excellent service history not thrashed like mine with none but still going strong.

Tim
21/01/2017 09:59:21 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Oh Tim! Why do you treat your wonderful SH125 so poorly? It's the scoot I feel sorry for, such cruelty. I should report you to the anti-scooter-cruelty lobby. It's a testament to Honda's little engine that it has survived your abuse.

I can't imagine a better vehicle to use on such an island as Jersey. To be frank I can't see any reason to own anything bigger, it's not like you have endless miles to travel. Keep the big bikes in the shed or sell them, you only need the SH125.

So you live in Jersey huh? Fancy putting Sharon and I up so we can have a nice cheap holiday? Hehe.
22/01/2017 06:48:11 UTC
Irvine said :-
Yes I had one too and it was great but needed more power. The Sh300 is so quick it's obscene in the hands of a nutter like me. Nearly killed me a few times till I sold it. Should have kept the 125 it was fine for the boring stuff going to town for my job in the finance business. Now that is boring.
21/04/2017 06:53:12 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I've never ridden the 300 but I imagine it will be quite nippy! There is a solution for motorcycles and scooters that are too fast Irvine. Don't turn the throttle quite so hard!

Remember you don't work in town in the finance business, you work in the city as a trader or stockbroker. Sell the story!
22/04/2017 06:36:44 UTC
Carl said :-
I have an sh300 that I bought new last July and have ridden 2300 miles.i also have a vision 110 that I bought new 4 years ago and have ridden 3500 miles.the 110 is a super little bike for local running,I get around 130mpg.the 2016 on sh300 is quite different.i am 5'9" and found the seat height just manageable so concentration when stopping or manoeuvring was essential to avoid a spill.the pull to 50 mph is amazing,going on to legal speed limits easily.the comfort,handling and braking superb.i get 90/95 mpg on A roads and a little less at motorway speeds.i have the honda screen cut down about 2" , hand guards and a 50ltr lightweight top box.i have ridden BMW r series for 20 odd years prior to the scooters and found the sh300 to be an excellent replacement.i am 63 years old.hope someone finds this informative.
01/06/2017 06:07:49 UTC
Jeannine said :-
And I have just bought a brand new Honda SH300i (in stunnning red!) as an upgrade from a Peugeot 125. The Honda is superb - comfort, acceleration, power etc. Have a 35litre top box and a screen (not the tall Honda one). I'm only 5'6" and the seat height (805mm) is just okay for me. The large wheels make is really stable. Love it!


10/08/2017 06:15:01 UTC
Jeannine said :-
NB The red looks different in diferent light as it's a Pearl finish....!
10/08/2017 06:17:20 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Jeannine! Now the 300cc in red - that's a sexy scoot right there. I'm not sure I'd be man enough to have ridden the full on 300 version, bet it goes like stink.
14/08/2017 03:20:52 UTC
Ted said :-
Oh why do WE (the collective WE) keep buying these things?

I have a very little used, about 1100 miles in 7 years, fully undersealed from new LML/Vespa 150cc scooter.
The CB500X, it's not going to rain today......Sooo, I'm outta here !

Then, I spot this lovely little Honda 90 Cub, 2001 on a 51 plate, all really solid. Electric start just "Whizzes" round to let me know the motor is working (have not investigated any further....probably won't) and it is so easy to slide the choke leave, turn the petrol on and 2nd kick it fires up straight away. With my big heavy size 11 I have to do little more than rest my foot on the kick start to get it running.

As soon as I can get am MOT booked locally it will be done.

The day I bought it, while it was still taxed, I had a ride up and down the road, this baby pulls like a train. Runs out of steam after about 40 mph, but gets there pretty quick for a little bike.

BUT
Usually a BUT somewhere...Do I keep it now I have got it how I want it, of see about selling it on/trading it in for an Sh125i......Possibly a low miles pre owned
I know I would be disappointed in the MODE.

Yes, I have taken that hideous great black box off the back, it was spoiling the aero dynamics ;-)


2001 Honda 90 Cub
12/10/2017 08:03:52 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Look the question is how many motorcycles does a motorcyclist need? The answer is N + 1 where N is the current number of motorcycles the motorcyclist owns. There is no such thing as too many motorcycles, there is only a lack of space to keep them in or a lack of funds to keep them all going.

That back box is not hideous. In my world that back box is essential.
12/10/2017 01:33:56 UTC
Ted said :-
Thanks Ren, at least now in my life I don't have to justify how many bikes I NEED....Ok, just want ;-)
The little cub was an impulse buy and probably more of a nostalgia trip.
There is no rust and it is a solid little easy starter which does exactly what it was built for.

I read the review you did on the Honda, either Sh125i, or Mode.

The 300 Shi looks a lovely beast, but not sure I can warrant another more expensive than a 125cc, insurance policy.

I was hoping to see a review of the Yamaha Xcenter 125.
I was torn between that and the Honda Shi.

I am hoping to soon go have a look at a late (ish) model Xcenter, then unfortunately my impulse cub and I will have to part company.
Minus the top box, that shape box has gone, but I would have put a later shape GIVI on.
I even had it planned to have the "Slow Vehicle....Please pass" sign on the back.

As you rightly say, space.....Urgh, maybe I would have been better living in a Tardis, no restrictions on finding places to put "Stuff" and travel would take on a whole new dimension.

14/10/2017 04:05:05 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I only wish I could test ride more motorcycles and scooters. Unfortunately I only run this small website so I don't get invited to motorcycle launches for magazine reviewers. There's only so many test rides dealers will tolerate before they realise I'm not there to buy a bike.

I live in a little terrace house. Ideally I'd like to live in an old massive industrial unit so I could keep on buying bikes. I only need a bed, a cooker and a toilet, the rest can be storage.
14/10/2017 01:40:35 UTC
Ray Elis said :-
My wife has just treated herself to a Honda 125 scooter, 18 months old, 400 miles on the clock. At 64 years of age she's fulfilled a lifelong ambition and it's such a joy to see her buzz off down the road. It's brilliant and she loves it.

However, here's the problem.

According to the Honda dealer she bought it from she's bought an SH Mode.
According to the V5 document she's got an ANC 125 F.
Yet insurance companies don't recognise either of these and have recorded it as an ANF 125 Innova!
The dealer maintains it's an SH Mode.
The owner manual calls it an ANC 125.
And we are totally confused!

So now we await a call back from Honda UK and in the meantime the insurer are happy to simply add a note to the record.

Any ideas from any of you guys?
17/10/2017 07:59:50 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I've just googled "ANC125F" including the quote marks. It brings up all the info regarding the Mode.

Honda and many other manufacturers "do this". Google "NC30" and you'll find lots of information about the VFR400. Then do the same for "NC24" and you'll get what appears to be the same bike. I'm sure other folks can supply plenty of other examples from other marques.

Most insurance companies these days go off the reg plate anyhow?

It's enough to drive you spare but you're not alone.
17/10/2017 09:40:47 UTC
Ray Ellis said :-
I have done the same, several times!
Although the user manual and V5 say it is an ANC 125 F, that is never brought up on any search.
The reg plate on insurance drop down lists brings it up as the ANF, not what the DVLA has it logged as!
I've come to the conclusion that it is an SH125I, but is familiarly known as the SH Mode. But I'll wait for the official result from Honda before contacting the insurance company again.
In the meantime my wife happily buzzes around and let's me, her secretary, sort it out for her!
Happy days! ??

17/10/2017 01:55:40 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Aaaaw Ray! You're breaking my heart. Do you have your own 2 wheeled motorised transportation system or are you just left at home sorting out the paperwork? Maybe you need to get your own scooter and join her on her adventures.
18/10/2017 09:39:05 UTC
Sharon said :-
Hi Ray,

The SH Mode will be the name that is has been given by the manufacturer to market the product. The ANC 125 will be the model number. The F on the end may be the actual colour of the the scooter or some other specific feature.

For example I own a Kawasaki Z250SL. The owners manual is for a BR250 EF The V5 shows the model as BR250 EFS. I believe this S denotes the colour green of my bike.
If my bike had ABS it's model number would be different as in BR250 FF.

Hope this helps.


18/10/2017 01:44:07 UTC
Terry from Ardrossan said :-
Tim from Jersey, when you say its never been serviced is that at all or not by a dealer but your good self?
I've just bought a Vision 110, great fun after a 790cc Bonneville, the Bonnie was just too big to get in and out of the new place easily, so sold it on and got the Vision.
I intend to do the servicing my self, I'm lucky in knowing what I'm doing having worked in two bike shops in the past, 1 was a Honda dealer, so I know what they get upto, I have a deep distrust of their work shops, not all but some shall we say!
That and the fact that items can double + from 1 year model to the next, my drive belt is £75 up from £30 from the previous model.
This 2017 Vision 110 is really nicely made and put together, the plastic mouldings are superb, they all lock together so well there are no squeaks or creaks, the only down side is they will use these silly push rivets in place of proper screws!
Good storage under the seat will take a flip front helmet, then if you put a back box on you can do a weeks shopping, (well, almost!)
The biggest novelty to me is having no starter motor, no starting 'clunk', the engine just purrs into life, oh, and the thing stops at lights, twist the throttle and off you go!
Honda put a 16" wheel on the front which helps steer the thing, the Chen Shing tyres are surprisingly good
The biggest disappointment for me is Mr Honda forgot to put an accessory socket on this model, I'd use it for a battery optimiser and sat nave but this bike would get used for food delivery, learning 'the knowledge' etc, so I think it was a bit short sited to leave it off even though its mention in the press release.
I might give you an up-date in the future when I'ved lived with it for a while, I loosely plan to keep it for about 2 years then perhaps the SH300 might suit me better, but for now Rhonda the Honda will do me fine!
Terry


06/11/2017 04:08:52 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Rhonda the Honda - brilliant.

So the Vision 110 is another wonderfully capable scoot is it? If I get the chance I'll have a go, thanks Terry from Ardrossan. Ardrossan huh? I've passed through a couple of times on the main A78 road heading for the ferry at McInroy's Point. It's a most pleasant area and you have easy access to The Highlands. Lucky boy. Next time I'm up there you can show me your bike.
07/11/2017 02:18:12 UTC
Terry said :-
Hi Ren,
I don't know about lucky, poor old Ardrossan has been left to run down by the council lately, Saltcoats, Stevenston and Irvine are thriving and getting all the money it seams!!
Nice country for riding around and about though.
One niggly thing with this Honda, the ignition lock seems to have too many positions for the lock, can be very fiddly to work, now the seat lock is on it too, plus it is a deep socket, long key and difficult to find the slot.
Over all Ren, I'd say very capable rather than wonderfully, absolutely ideal around the towns, pretty good (65mph) on the A70's dual carriage ways but can run out of a bit of puff into a head wind, up hill & loaded up, but then it is only 110cc, I dont think a 125 would make that much difference except for relieving me of another £500!, you would have to go 250(ish) + to see any real difference.
As for touring, I may well be going up to a village near John 'O' Groats next year.
Terry




08/11/2017 09:51:19 UTC
said :-

07/01/2018 03:55:36 UTC
Ted said :-
Ok, so I still have the CB500X and the little 2001 x 90 Cub that I bought.....Sold on my old/nearly new LML 125 x 2 stroke.
After years of being a poorly paid apprentice (Yeh, OK, so it was a LOT of years ago....Nostalgia isn't what it used to be) and only being able to afford to run a cheap small wheeled scooter it is finally nice to transport with bigger wheels that hold the road better.

I "invested" in 2016 Yam Xcenter and it whisks ME up to 50 without blinking and 60/65 is quite comfortable. Not even a 1000 miles on the clock at time of typing.

I took a lady friend of a similar age but much lighter weight ;-) on the back last week and was just slightly underwhelmed.
I think the 500X has spoiled me,(And Her!)
but then again, this is a scooter with a lot less power.

Already I am reading the specs on the Honda Sh125i.....just has to be the "I" version,
or possibly a 300i......pre owned, low miles would be fine.....preferred colour red.
BUT
Always a but, the Xcenter would have to go.
Perhaps a trip to Peterborough (about 30 miles away) to well respected dealer and what sort of dosh comes up as a PX.
Regardless, if it is a nice day, it gives us another little ride out for while.......Like you really need any sort of excuse to get a bike out when there are plenty of reasons.

Opinions on the SH125i as against the Xcenter welcome please.
Extra road tax, more on insurance, less MPG.....I can live with those when the 300i comes with the benefits of more FUN.

I already know that I would be disappointed (for the trips I would make) with the 100 as good as it is.


12/08/2018 10:47:33 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I don't know anything about the Xcenter so it's hard to draw a comparison. From what I can find online it's another 125 scoot?

If you want and can afford the 300 then it might be worth getting that - but have a test ride first to see if it is what you hope it to be. Otherwise between the 2 125s despite my passion for all things Honda - keep ya money in ya pocket! There won't be enough difference to make it worth the cost and the effort. If the Xcenter only has 1,000 miles on the clock there's not much wrong with it.

No point in spending money for the difference between them.
13/08/2018 06:56:24 UTC
Ted said :-
Good advice as always Ren
13/08/2018 06:08:34 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Any advice that recommends not spending money unnecessarily is always good advice in my book :)
14/08/2018 07:49:42 UTC
Rob E said :-
Morning all

I'm amazed that this chain is still going after all this time. Perhaps that's because it's interesting and very informative!

I own a September 2013 Honda Vision 110 on which I have now travelled 26,550 miles. It was used primarily for commuting from deepest south London to the City and it would be impossible to exaggerate how well suited it was to that job, a superb little machine that did exactly what it said on the tin. A real 120mpg, nippy to 45mph, light, extremely agile, a gem weaving in and out of slow moving or stationary traffic. But.....

I have now retired and my current journeys are mostly short, either four miles or seven miles. Perfect for the Vision but I'm now wanting to throw in occasional long journeys, particularly London to south Devon, where my younger daughter lives. One can go by car but in summer the local roads (and some of the roads getting there!) are a nightmare. So the question is: Do I replace my Vision with a SH125 Mode or a SH300i? The SH125 Mode would be more appropriate for my day to day use but would it be comfortable enough for, say, four annual return trips to Devon?

Your view, Ed, please? Or the opinion of others? I will be buying either one of them soon. I guess it will boil down to whether or not it's worth £2,100 extra cost to get eight journeys a year faster and in more comfort!

Thanks.

Rob
26/08/2018 09:52:24 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
This is very much like the electric vehicle conundrum. For myself and countless others an e-car (or an e-bike) would be ideal as most people's riding/driving is within about 20 or 30 miles. Then just a few times a year I might need a car to travel 100, 200 or even 300 miles - which presently is something of a challenge for an electric vehicle. As such for these rare occasions we run a big heavy petrol heater that coincidentally goes forwards all year round.

I'll add a link to my riding a 125 on motorways post.

Despite my protestations, despite my frugal beliefs there is little doubt the 300 would be "better" on those rare motorways trips. But it is a heavy price to pay for 8 trips a year when there's little doubt the 125 will be the better city bike.

I have no doubt the 125 can do the motorways, I have no doubt the 300 can run in the city.

I'd ask myself these questions :

Just how much city work will you be doing?
How strong and fit are you? Bear in mind the 125 will always be lighter and therefore more manageable.
How rich are you? The 300 will cost a little more to run.
Will the comfort and pace of the 300 encourage you to travel further and/or more often? Is this a good thing for you?

There is another possibility. IF..if you can, if it is at all possible - keep the Vison and get the 300 or or or...get both the 125 and the 300!




bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=277...
26/08/2018 05:27:35 UTC
Rob E said :-
Thanks, Ren, great advice, and I've read the 125 on motorways link.

I have only ridden the Vision 110 on motorways on two occasions, and one of those was on the M3 for 20 miles travelling north after joining from the A303. It was absolutely terrifying and the main problem was that I couldn't quite keep pace with the lorries so one after another crept past me and I spent much of the time travelling on the hard shoulder! It appears from your piece that a 125 will be able to keep up with the lorries and that will make an enormous difference. So a 125 can do the job. Great news. But....

Looking at your questions 1 and 4, I think that my long distance travel will increase to around 2,500 miles per annum and the short stuff will drop to c3,500 per annum. Prior to retirement from full time work they were around 500 and 6,000 miles respectively. Regarding your question 3 I have to shamefacedly admit that money is no object but I do hate waste. Prior to retirement the Vision 110 was absolutely perfect so I couldn't justify anything else but the changed circumstances then meant that the SH125 Mode came in range. Your "questions" have however now opened my eyes to the fact that I can go even further up!! So, although the SH125 Mode can do the long distances I will purchase a SH300i. The Vision 110 has little trade in value due to its mileage so I'll keep it for the short journeys until it's run into the ground.

Thanks so much.

Rob


26/08/2018 07:51:55 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Ha Blimey maybe I should become an agony aunt.

I hate hate hate when people "diss" 125s, they are fabulous fun machines. Mine has been to The Netherlands, Ireland and all over the UK. But I will admit much to my chagrin that the 300 will make motorway work a little easier.

Use the 110 for local hops and the 300 for further afield. Don't be afraid to mix that up once in a while though, that 110 will be a hoot for some adventures. Job done you lucky lucky man.

Now be a good chap and ride safe.
26/08/2018 10:25:21 UTC
Rob E said :-
Morning

I wouldn't "diss" 125's and they are great. I did 21,400 miles on a Kymco 125 and my Vision 110 has been as far afield as south Devon, Peterborough and Paris as well as doing all those London commutes. But it's horses for courses! Back in the 1980's when I used to tour France two-up (back then my wife was not averse to motorcycle travel!) I owned a BMW K100RS. Couldn't justify anything like that now but a Honda SH300i, well that's OK!

Your posts are super.

Rob
27/08/2018 08:48:46 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
To be honest, why would you need to justify yourself? If your tastes are for 125s then fine - if for 1200cc behemoths then equally fine. All sorts of bikes can offer a great experience (although I may personally draw the line at a Vespa).

The only problem comes when you insist on having a showroom-fresh machine, in which case you do pay dearly for the privilege. You could have an excellent bike in any size for less than £2,000 if you look carefully (I know, I've sold them!). Admittedly bigger bikes use more fuel and may be more expensive to insure but these are normally not enough to make the decision one way or the other.

I've had bikes from 50cc to 995; 1,2,3 and 4 cylinders and all have had their charms.
27/08/2018 11:26:59 UTC
said :-
Evening Ian

It's a question of philosophy. A true "biker" should indeed buy according to taste and desire, subject to budget. I am not a "biker", I don't have any particular interest in motorcycles/scooters, I just see them as a very efficient means to an end, which in my case was primarily commuting into central London. So I would always buy according to what I really needed, what I could "justify". I bought my first motorcycle, a Honda C90, in 1971, the purpose being to get me to university rugby matches as I couldn't stand hanging around for the coach. Next was a Honda CD175 in 1975 as I had started work in the City and couldn't stand the trains. Touring France required bigger bikes etc. etc. etc., all purchases based simply on "what can do the job?".

So when you sell your bikes you may have the excitement of discussing it all with true "bikers", or you may be lumbered with a bore like me who just wants suggestions as to the best way to get from A to B. Following my conversations with Ren I'm settling for the somewhat prosaic Honda SH300i.

The only time I deviated to "wants" as opposed to "needs" was in 1995 when, eight years after I had actually finished all my touring, I ordered a Honda Pan-European 1100. But I cancelled it and bought a watch instead. Watches... now that is a taste thing! My wife doesn't understand but at least she's happy that I can't kill myself on watches.

Bye from a man whose ridden 305,000 miles on motorcycles/scooters (so I must like them a little bit!).

Rob
27/08/2018 11:38:05 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
That's a very specific mileage Rob. I presume there's a spreadsheet somewhere going back to the days of Unix? I also regret to inform you that while you may view motorcycles and scooters as a mode of transport rather than a passion or a hobby that kind of mileage is rather impressive. Compared to most "bikers" you're a highly experienced rider. You're more biker than many bikers. Sorry.

I'd have to disagree about watches being safe. Have you not seen any James Bond movies?
28/08/2018 07:48:03 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
I'm not sure what a "biker" is and I've never called myself that. "Motorcyclist" is a different matter of course......
28/08/2018 09:27:24 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
" I presume there's a spreadsheet somewhere going back to the days of Unix?"

No Unix in 1971 - only generally available in the late 1970s. RSTS/E or VM/370 depending on DEC or IBM perhaps.......
28/08/2018 01:45:21 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Anorack
28/08/2018 02:35:54 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
I think you'll find that's spelt "anorak".....

Far too few pedants on this site if you ask me (not that you would).
28/08/2018 03:47:05 UTC
Pocketpete said :-
Sh300i looks a nice fast bike lad at works got one. Couldn't believe he paid £ 4525 for a scooter. Especially when you can buy the cb500x for just over £ 5k

But there is something interesting in a little scooter that can actually produce a good turn off speed. He says no car ever beats him at the lights. And he scared a few big bikers up to 50mph. Would be nice to see that.
28/08/2018 08:33:48 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
If you not "into" bikes then scooters have some considerable advantages over a motorcycle.

That step-through is the key. It means they are a lot easier to get onto. It means your feet and your legs are "inboard". While this won't keep you totally dry it keeps the harsh blast of rain off you making it much easier to stay dry. In the event of a spill or collision your legs are a little better protected.

Then there's the storage space under the seat. Many scooters are automatic making them incredibly easy to ride. They're easier to clean (well the bits you can see at least).

And yeah, they ain't slow.
29/08/2018 08:07:37 UTC
Ross said :-
I came across this story, via another forum, which shows what a 125cc scooter can do...

https://inews.co.uk/news/uk/korean-traveller-scooter-stolen-manchester/

...but maybe not such a good reflection on Manchester!...but possible coming good in the end!




inews.co.uk/news/uk/korean-traveller-scooter-stolen-manchester/...
29/08/2018 11:01:36 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
OH gosh yes, how heartrending after all that travelling. I believe through facebook some funds have been raised from various biker groups to help him replace the scooter.
29/08/2018 11:20:50 UTC
Pocketpete said :-
Typical Manchester scumbags
29/08/2018 12:01:50 UTC
CrazyFrog said :-
Sadly, not just limited to Manchester PocketPete, they're everywhere :-(

Still, it's good to hear that this particular story has a happy ending! :-)
30/08/2018 08:22:54 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
Mind you, you do wonder what attracted him to Manchester in the first place....
30/08/2018 08:55:58 UTC
Tinkerbell said :-
Lovely review of the Honda SH 125 Mode. It helped me to decide what to buy. To me this is the Honda Scooter with the best price/performance ratio. Bought one new recently for CHF 3000.-- (Swiss Francs). List prices is CHF 3730.00. Picked it up and drove it home (120km). It is a lovely ride. I enjoy it very much.


Honda SH 125 Mode (ANC125) in Pearl White
03/11/2018 07:27:43 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Tinkerbell. I can just see you gracefully wafting along an alpine road on a warm sunny day. Enjoy the Honda :)
04/11/2018 08:48:20 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Pretty, don't Honda do things well?
Upt'North.
04/11/2018 09:41:24 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
They are quite stylish aren't they. I can't see them attracting the back-patchers or crotch rocket types but it has simple graceful lines.
04/11/2018 10:09:35 UTC
Tinkerbell said :-
As I wrote before, I had a hard time to decide which scooter to buy. The SH 125i is the premium Honda product: expensive but with ABS, LED lights and a good suspension. The Vision 110 on the other hand is very affordable, but has "only" a 110cc engine. Would it perform well in the Swiss mountains? The Honda SH 125 Mode seemed to fulfill all my requirements: reasonably priced, same performance as the SH 125i and lightweight. But I wasn't sure. The Vision 110 with its low price is simply a steal here in Switzerland. I ended up plotting the performance numbers that I found on a website to compare the SH 125i, the Mode and the Vision 119. My conclusion: the Vision is probably good enough for most trips, but I wanted to be on the save side. I don't want to be overtaken by a truck. Here is the chart. Decide for yourself. Please comment.


05/11/2018 08:16:09 UTC
Jammy said :-
I'm not full bike nor full scooter I'm in the middle with my two step thru's....an old Honda 90 and Suzy fl 125 address. I do occasionally miss bigger bikes but as an all year round rider love the protection of scooters/step thru's esp as I have screens fitted and keep your knees tight behind the leg shields! A work colleague (big lad six foot plus And 18 stone) recently did a trip from Dorset up and around Northern Ireland on his SH125 with no issues.
13/11/2018 02:25:53 UTC
Keith said :-
Can't decide between the SH125i and the 300. My local Honda dealer only has the 300 in stock and no demos to boot. Would like to see both bikes next to each other a visual size comparison. Does anyone know if you can manoeuvre the 300 in and out of traffic as well as the 125.

Had a vision and it was magic during rush hour. Sold it on and beginning to regret the decision, due to my uncertainty with the 125 and 300.

Any advise will be gratefully appreciated

Thanks
26/02/2019 02:23:27 UTC
Jonathan said :-
I have a Honda cb300r Which I recently purchased downsizing from a CB 500X because it is a lot lighter and a cracking bike to ride. I also traded in my Honda Wave 110i last March for a 125 SH Mode as a commuter and toy bike. It is absolutely brilliant! Good fun to ride, handles well and for a 125 very quick. I run it on super unleaded as I find it improves acceleration. At 61 years of age I have to admit I ride it like I'd just stolen it, it's so much fun. My commute to work is 14 miles each way and most of it on fast A roads. It will hold 60 - 65 mph all the way. I personally don't think it's worth paying the premium for the SH125i as other than mainly cosmetics I don't believe it does anything better than the Mode. The build quality on the Mode is extremely good to, service once a year or 4,000 miles at a cost of £80. What's not to like? 10 years ago I also had an SH300i and yes the performance is awesome. I live near a long steep hill and with a run at it the 300 would hit nearly 80 mph. Would wholeheartedly recommend both bikes (Mode and 300) and will probably have another 300i when I'm older and need to fit stabilisers!!. By the way the Mode is more than capable of coping with long journeys. I regularly get 130 mpg out of mine between fill ups. Enjoy and ride safe! Cheers.
05/03/2019 08:42:55 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Jonathan. Please tell us what area you live so we can look out for the 61 year old hooligan getting lairy on a Honda scoot. It warms my heart to hear you're enjoying both the scoot and the 300, although at 61 hopefully you're still a long way off needing stabilisers.

Useful info.
06/03/2019 09:03:00 UTC
Brian T said :-
I bought my ANC 125 sh mode new in 2014 for commuting 10 miles per day, 5 years later and 17500 miles of faultless running it's still going strong. Drive belt was changed at 15000 miles as per sevice schedule.
Oil change intervals are 5000 miles but i change it at half that, I chose the mode over the SH125I because it's cheaper lighter and faster from 0 - 30mph which is good for town as it makes more torque but less peak power (they are in different states of tune) and you only have to remove the hugger and exhaust to change the rear wheel, With she SH125i you also need to dismantle the right hand side of the swing arm, The Mode also has linked brakes but no ABS,The Mode's rear drum is also easier to look after as apposed to the SH125i's disc. I de linked the brakes by draining the secondary cylinder and removing the middle piston from the front caliper, Needless to say it's now a lot safer to use in ice and snow with a lot more feel (i ride it every day, rain or snow), I purchased a pair of wheels second hand so have a pair with summer tyres and a pair with soft compound rather chunky snow tyres, It regularly carries bags of logs/cement/gravel/sand and anything else i need to carry on the floorboard between my feet and it doesn't effect the handling as the c of g remains low, You just can't strap a 25 kg bag of sand etc to the top of a small 125 bike, Best mpg is around 120, worst 85ish Carrying bags of dug out earth from home to local recycling centre. On a different note sometimes i ride my Super Blackbird to work and pass the same guy on a bike as i pass most other mornings on the Mode, Who never nods back, When on the Bird he nods when i havn't, Needless to say i totally ignore him (just goes to show what some Macho pillocks think of people who ride scooters) When on the bird i always acknowlodge scooter riders,always have done, they are worthy as they are also fighting the good fight against all the car drivers texting and absorbed with there infortainment systems,The Mode is one hell of a work Horse.
Times are changing though, Been riding for 38 yrs now and with a speed camera round every corner i've come to the conclusion that it's pointless having anything capable of cruising faster than the legal limit so i'm picking up my brand new SH300I next week, By-by Blackbird, Will i miss people nodding ? Naa, ride safe.
14/03/2019 07:58:51 UTC
jammy said :-
Yes Brian T, used to have the same when commuting to work I'd be on the vx800 some days, and oh look big biker boy(sorry it may have been a girl!?) nods at me.... next day I'd be on the honda c90...and no nod. Only riding small stuff these days means I generally ignore most two wheelers...get the odd nod from small stuff or occasional old duffer on an old be em...
16/03/2019 05:57:38 UTC
Michaelnewby said :-
Hi there
I haven’t yet joined the scooter club but hopefully will before the end of February. My dilemma is this. Whether to go for a Honda 125 sh or the 300 sh scooter. This bike will be going on the back of our Fiat Ducato campervan for a trip into Europe for a few months. Other than a trail bike I had for 12 months in the 1970s I don’t have any bike experience. So, the dilemma is whether a 125 will pull my wife and I up a steep windy mountain road on the Costa Brava ! With - a combined weight of 26 stone (a’hem) :) or . Whether I will need the 300sh

Grateful for any advice here !
30/01/2020 05:51:38 UTC
ROD said :-
Hi Michaelnewby, I have just had a quick google search and it looks like the 125 and the 300 have a load capacity of 180kg. The 26 stone that you mention will take you up to just over 165kg.
Does the 26 stone include clothing and helmets ect?
My experience of riding a 125cc motorcycle two up was that it struggled to keep up with traffic even on slight hills, and that was with a rider and pillion weight of 138kg.
We have many small capacity motorcycle and scooter owners on here, and I am sure they can give you better advice than myself on the difference between the two bikes.
30/01/2020 06:51:54 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Sharon and I often go 2-up on my CBF125. Our combined weight without kit is 21 stone.

The SH125 will do the job and do it fine, the 300 will do it easier, it's that simple. If you are happy to potter along back lanes taking in the sights and sounds, allowing the cars to pass and exploring villages then definitely the 125. If you wish to sweep along the open roads and go over the big mountain passes then I'd err towards the 300.

Be sure to consider the weight on the back of the van as well as ease of loading.

I'm sure you'll enjoy either model in the meantime I assure you you're making me quite envious.
30/01/2020 09:47:11 UTC
Michaelnewby said :-
Thanks for the info Ren and Rod

At a combined 26 stone (without helmets etc) we don’t mind pootling around on a 125 Honda SH . I guess our main concern is the bike not being able to get up very steep inclines . Some of the Spanish coastal roads have inclines around 30%, maybe more and we wouldn’t want to end up pushing the bike up a hill !

I am coming around to the idea of the Honda SH 300 but that increases the weight from 116kg ( the Honda SH mode version) to 169kg for the 300cc. And whether that will be able to be within weight limits to sit on a rack and within the Ducato rear axle capacity range I am not sure . More investigation required methinks
31/01/2020 10:45:37 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
The weight is an important consideration, you don't want the van wandering across the road and trying to pull wheelies as the scoot acts as a pendulum and counterbalance. Would a trailer be an option?
02/02/2020 07:10:28 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Ren, you've put me in a nostalgic mood, can't end well.
250's were of course all the rage in the sixties and seventies until the 125cc laws were introduced.
I had a Suzuki GT250A, a fantastic bike, quick, reliable, fun, versatile, just about perfect for a learner and for after you passed your test.
The CBF250 must have been under the radar, I can't remember seeing many.
Upt'North.
02/02/2020 10:32:56 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
The 250 was popular back int' day BECAUSE it was learner legal. By the time of the CBF250 those days were long gone, as such it wasn't a big seller and escaped most folk's notice. You'd have your eyes on the Pan Euro I'd guess.
03/02/2020 09:31:01 UTC
Upt'North said :-
You could well be right young Ren, although it's a handsome 250.
It seems to be a single cylinder, is it a derivative of the XLR, although I think that had a two port head.
Upt'North.
03/02/2020 01:07:14 UTC
Ross said :-
Hey, Upt', I was thinking the same as your 'nostalgic mood' and coincidently I owned a GT250B up until about 5 or 6 years ago...sold it just before the prices took off unfortunately! It did go well for an old 'un, though!
03/02/2020 04:11:25 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Ross, I bought mine almost new in 1978, 1978!?! Swapped it for an RD400, that was the typical 2 stroke from hell.
It was in Silver, looked lovely and for a two stroke was so easy to live with.
I'm guessing the B had the black side panels.
Happy oil in the air days.
Upt'North.

03/02/2020 06:19:46 UTC
Bill said :-
Up to February 1983 learner motorcycle riders could ride motorcycles with an engine capacity up to 250cc. In February 1983 the law changed limiting learner motorcycle riders to 125cc.The Honda CBF250 was launched in UK in 2004 so was never aimed at learners so not many sold, probably marketed at commuters.
Peaked in 2008 with about 600 registered in UK and about 330 currently in use.
03/02/2020 07:53:32 UTC
Ross said :-
"Upt'North said :-
I'm guessing the B had the black side panels."

Oooh, good anorak points there, Upt', yes and different rear light, paint colours and graphics but otherwise the same as your A model.

I can almost smell the two stroke fumes now...I've got an itch for another 'stroker!
03/02/2020 09:22:39 UTC
ROD said :-
I could join in on this nostalgia of two stroke motorcycles, but I am worried about the editors health!!
03/02/2020 10:13:27 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
2 stroke?!? Did someone say 2 stroke!?!

Bill, I thank you for the useful, clear and informative details. 330? Not many is it. The rest of the reprobates are winding me up because they know I don't like 2 strokes. Pfffft.

I shall ignore this bad behaviour today as I am on the road presently. However when I return this evening if your attitudes haven't improved you'll all be going to the headmaster's office!

Except you Upt', you'd probably like that.
04/02/2020 07:32:37 UTC
Upt'North said :-
School, now there's a topic for conversation.
Met my best bud there and regularly read and discussed MCN when I should have been doing algebra. Not sure I can even spell it. Algerberra that is.
I was a fairly frequent visitor to the headmasters office and I can recall the following punishments....
Slipper/plimsoll, at least three foot long and delivered heartily on ones buttocks. Can we say buttocks.
Cane, as thick as a broom stale and whacked across your palm.
The bat, no bat like this had ever been made commercially, it was like a chair seat attached to a fence post, he hit you just about anywhere with that.
But it did me no harm.......as they say.......why am I sweating and twitching.
You'll smell my mates Suzuki triples Ed when he takes them for a warm up between Eccleston and Chorley.
Clouds of lovely Castrol R. He does it on purpose, on instruction.
Upt'North.
04/02/2020 08:47:43 UTC
nab301 said :-
Ahh , Castrol R , reminds me of an acquaintance of mine years ago who used to put a few cc's of Castro R in the petrol tank of his 4 stroke lawnmower , reckoned it was cheaper than spectating at a classic car or bike race meeting....
Nigel
07/02/2020 07:42:04 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I know that Castrol R smell but I just don't get it. To you all it probably evokes memories of exciting days at the racetrack with friends, "Dazzer" doing the ton for the first time on his RD350 and you trying to "port" your GP100 so it'd keep up with Andy's Kwak.

In the meantime this spotty oik was just discovering motorcycles via the rock music scene. We had beards and Harleys and women. Actually I had patchy fluff facial hair and a bent Honda H100A, but I did manage to find a couple of girlfriends. I was gunna be a badass biker! Castrol R didn't feature in my cheesy easy rider world.

Regular readers will already know the dizzying heights I failed to achieve as a badass biker. I'm not even respected on my own blog!!!
09/02/2020 06:30:07 UTC
nab301 said :-
Each to his own Ren, I never did rallies or camping although a "friend" persuaded me to do the Dragon in 2008 , and ultimately I didn't get it either , maybe if I had indulged in some alcohol and "herbal "tobacco it would have been different, there were people staggering around all night vomiting and doing god knows what else ,and just as I managed to get 40 winks a guy started up with some bagpipes... come daybreak it took ages to thaw out my frozen water bottles for the obligatory cup of tea with the breakfast!!
Nigel
11/02/2020 07:43:34 UTC
Bluemoon said :-
I’ve owned the sh300 x 3, sh125i x2 and ridden a vision 110 ( the model before the engine updates.

Sh300 are great, VERY capable, will easily accelerate above motorway speeds no problem......the givi airflow is the screen to buy.....its great...70+ mpg, handles great, very smooth and quiet........don’t worry about acceleration...it’s not lacking. If you have ridden your average 250cc scoot it won’t compare to the engine on the sh300...it’s in a league of its own.

I enjoyed the sh125i the most...., bit more foot room than the 300cc......better economy, lighter...both ultra reliable is serviced and cared for. Lovely fun scooter which likes its revs....beautiful scooter, great for tak8ng 8n the scenery on the back country roads or popping into town.

My friend owned the earlier version of the vision 110cc before the engine updates (2017?). Very lightweight and good off the throttle acceleration at the lights etc, good brakes.
The problem with the vision was it was terrible up hills, now I’m 6ft and 16 stone and it would labour up hills badly. My friends sons 50cc was better up hill than the vision. It was almost like it need to be knocked down a gear. I’ve heard the newer on doesn’t do this....it was a shame as it was lovely....although the sh125 is a more capable machine if doing some distance.


16/02/2020 01:22:56 UTC
Tinkerbell said :-
Took my little Honda SH Mode 125 to the Schwaegalppass on Sunday, maximum grade of 12%. It was a lot of fun and the Honda coped very well. Downhill speed up to 90 km/h. It put a big smile on my face!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schw%C3%A4galp_Pass...
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01/06/2020 04:48:47 UTC
ROD said :-
No! No! No! Tinkerbell,
You can not post lovely pics like this of Switzerland, when the UK residents have travel restrictions.
Very clean looking Honda SH Mode. Is it new?
01/06/2020 06:47:11 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Agree ROD! That's just equally beautiful and frustrating. I can imagine wafting along on the SH125 with a gentle alpine breeze, soaking in the majesty and contemplating the wonders. Bliss. Do you think Tinkerbell would mind if we sneak over the borders and make use of the scoot for a few hours?
01/06/2020 07:52:12 UTC
Leon said :-
I've had a Lexmoto and a Nipponia Miro 125. Both used. Miro had 13k on it, the Lexmoto I don;t want to talk about. Too many problems. Both needed fixing and having problems / new parts, major fixes every few months. I've decided to get the Honda 125cc SH mode. 2016 model with 5200 miles. £1700.

I was told my previous scooters kept having problems as Chinese.

One friend said get a 300cc as I often ride a 15 mile stretch of the A331 at about 50mph there and back so 30 miles trip few times a week. He reckons I am pushing the 125's too hard which is why the parts and exhausts and engines keep going.

But the test is £600 and I don;t have the time as I needed something next week anyway.

The dealer said 'you don't need a 300cc, it's a Honda, even though it's a 125cc and you use it 30 miles at 50-60mph it won't keep having problems like Chinese scooters, they last for donkey's years and you can do that ride daily on it.

I'm hoping he's right. Look forward to anybody's feedback.

Kind regards. Leon

17/07/2020 08:58:49 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I have a Honda CBF125 with *ALMOST* 90,000 miles on the clock. I'd estimate 15 to 25 thousand of those miles have been done on motorways. Equally I am sure many folks will say the 50 to 60 mph at a constant speed is a lot of strain on a motorcycle. Sharon has a Chinese 125 with 25,000 miles on the clock and she's had no problems with her bike at all. Equally I know people who had nothing but trouble with Chinese motorcycles.

You will meet many people with many different experiences and points of view. Take what you can learn but accept everyone has their own opinions.

In my opinion, and that is all I can offer, the Honda should be fine between 50 and 60 mph but the closer to 50 the less stress and therefore a longer life.
19/07/2020 05:15:00 UTC
said :-
Thanks Ren, yes seeing the top speed on the Honda is 65mph, my plan is to never go above 50mph, whereas my Nipponia 125's top speed was 50mph and I was thus at redline most of the time.

I'll try to keep the Honda at between 40-50 on the larger roads. My theory is that is lower than the red line so less stress on it.


20/07/2020 09:28:55 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
40-50 will be just fine, although don't be afraid to give it a little more as and when circumstances require.
21/07/2020 08:35:08 UTC
Tinkerbell said :-
Like the big ones. The Honda SH Mode on the Flüelapass (2383m). Okay, I stop teasing.
@ROD: It is 2 years old now.


http://rpawlitzek.users.sourceforge.net/Adventures/Adventures.html...
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21/07/2020 06:43:05 UTC
ROD said :-
Great pictures, and great roads.
I am missing the alps, as it must be 15 years since I rode those mountain roads on a motorcycle.
That Honda is still way too clean!
21/07/2020 07:49:36 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I followed the link Tinkerbell and now I wish I had not. GRRRR! It's so beautiful and I really want to be there.

I'm sure there must be a downside to living somewhere with such scenery. I suppose the problem is anywhere else you go just seems a little, I dunno, flat? At least I live somewhere grey and dull enough to truly appreciate being somewhere not grey and dull. I'm clutching at straws here aren't I.
21/07/2020 08:50:36 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Lovely piccie of the Swiss Alps Tinkerbell. Maybe next year.
You could start a thread on bike cleanliness, Ed would love it.
Upt'North.

21/07/2020 11:24:00 UTC
Borsuk said :-
Now that I have a side stand again and can get off the bike without wedging it against walls, high kerbs and other immovable vertical objects I can stop and take some piccies tomorrow on my run to Granada and back. The pickies will be of horrible flat roads with massive potholes and not a bend or scenic view for miles Ren.
22/07/2020 10:12:48 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
GOOD!
23/07/2020 08:11:14 UTC
Leon said :-
I have had the SH Mode 125 for 3 days now. Compared to my Nipponia it is lovely in the feel of the build (Nipponia build wasn't bad actually, just Honda feels a step up.) Also the power is so much quieter and smooth! So silky smooth! From 0 to 50mph it just glides so quietly and effortlessly.

I tested and it does go to 65mp, it gets to 50 easily then pretty easy to 60 and then slowly, slowly to 65. I only did this for a minute just to see so I could know that 50mph (the Nipponia's top speed) wasn't a struggle.

But I'm looking after this one and will only ride up to 50mp most of the time even on A roads so i'm only ever taking it to 75-80 % of capacity and will never be thrashing it or red lining it.

Going to keep this one a long time and look after him well. Gonna get a screwdriver set, socket set, oil, coolant, brake fluid and spare spark plug. (If anyone thinks of anything else I could ad let me know.)
25/07/2020 11:40:57 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Make sure the drivers are JIS. Or you may regret it.
Also US Pro tools on ebay are pretty good stuff.
Upt'North.
25/07/2020 01:07:29 UTC
Borsuk said :-
I would suggest a set of combination spanners for those nuts and bolts you can’t get a socket onto.

25/07/2020 11:10:46 UTC
Tinkerbell said :-
Thanks to Corona you can discover your own country!
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30/09/2020 07:12:49 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
ARGH! Stop it with the beautiful pictures, it makes me want to go there. That'll be the Alps again Tinkerbell?
01/10/2020 08:02:45 UTC
Tinkerbell said :-
Yes, indeed. The place is called St. Antönien.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Ant%C3%B6nien...
02/10/2020 07:25:07 UTC
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