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Tyre Trouble A'th Mill

Blog Date 12 May 2021


Why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why oh why... does this happen EVERY BLASTED TIME!!?? It feels as though whenever Sharon and I have a trip of more than 200 miles planned at least one tyre has a questionable amount of tread depth remaining.

Here in the UK the minimum tread depth for a motorcycle over 50cc is 1mm all over. With the easing of lockdown restrictions after the 17th of May we're off to see my dad, some 280 miles away. That'll be a 560 mile round trip plus whatever mileage we do when we're down there. The weekend before I'm also going camping with friends  which will be another 250 mile round trip. 

800 miles represents approximately 10% of the rear tyre wear on my 500. Well, errr, depending on how fast I'm riding, how aggressively I'm riding, the load I'm carrying, the kind of roads I'm riding, the temperature and a plethora of other unknown variables. 

The overall depth of the Conti Motions is - according to the net - about 5.5mm. That leaves 4.5mm of useable tread. 10% of 4.5mm is 0.45mm or half a milly innit. My depth gauge suggests there's just under 2mm remaining on the rear. That should be enough. Yeah, plenty there for 800 miles. Yeah. Be fine. Sure it will.

The tread on the Conti Motion tyre is only about 5.5mm thick
It's not like there's a lot of tread to start with.

Aaaaaand that's the problem. Doubt. Uncertainty. Numerically speaking I'll be fine, in fact these trips will ensure I'll be getting the maximum usage and value out of my expensive tyre. And yet I know all the way there and back I shall be paranoidally over-thinking "is my tyre ok, is my tyre ok, is my tyre ok...".

Sharon's rear on the 250 is at exactly the same stage - probably enough tread but not definitely enough. An under be-treaded rear tyre won't see you thrown in prison and your family sent into slavery but it will see you with 3 points and a fine and the hassle of notifying your insurers and with 4 bikes and 2 cars between us both - believe me that is HASSLE.

So we decide to just fix the goddam problem and fit the 2 new tyres we already have in our possession because we are prepared. 

I remove my rear wheel then oh-so delicately remove the tyre with levers - managing only a few tiny blemishes to the paintwork. I don't mind but I suspect Sharon would if I do that to her rear. Maybe this DIY tyre fitting isn't such a good idea.

I have a practice rim and an old tyre from the CBF125 you know. Really - the old rim was going cheap and the tyre is a worn one. I have developed my technique and some tools and save for the odd blemish I consider I'm pretty adept at this tyre changing malarkey now.

An old 125 rim and tyre for practice
A chap has to learn somewhere don't he?

Levers, presses, protector pads and windex the tools for fitting a tyre
The DIY tyre fitting toolkit.

Here on the blog we endeavour to keep the content "family friendly". In this case then I shan't type the words I used but in your own mind please shout out the most vile, heinous, rudest and foul-mouthed words you know. Curse and swear, blaspheme and profane all the while imagine me kicking the wheelie bin and throwing my tools.

I have nipped the bead of my £80 tyre betwixt the rim and my pressing on tool. There is but a small tear in the rubber, but it is sufficient to cast doubt.

The bead has a nick in the rubber and the bead is bent
A small nik and the bead wires are bent.

Doubt again. It's one thing to doubt if your headlight is mounted securely or the if the side panel is a tad loose. When it comes to tyres and brakes, doubt is not good enough. They need to be right, it's as simple as that.

It takes me a full day to stop calling myself a #### and a %%%% and a $$$$. I shoulda just paid the tenner to get it fitted. I shoulda just gone to a shop like all the other normal people. I shoulda just been more careful. I shoulda I shoulda I shoulda. I need to stop berating myself and focus on getting the blooming tyres fitted and the problem solved.

Sharon's wheel is taken to the local shop and fitted for a tenner. It really is that easy you know. Take the wheel and the tyre, give it to the nice man, go home and have a brew and do some work, go back and collect the wheel with the new tyre on the rim without any scratches and no trapped fingers and no blood and most importantly, no cussing and swearing and self loathing. Well worth £10.

I order a new tyre for myself. Within 2 days moto-tyres.co.uk tell me there's a delay but it'll be with me soon. I'm not sensing that warm feeling. A tyre shop in Wigan assures me they can get the tyre within 3 days and the price, including fitting, is the same as moto-tyres plus the tenner for getting it fitted locally.

I now have 2 tyres on order. Well one or the other will get here soon surely? Wigan's amtyres.co.uk comes up trumps within the allotted timescale and fits it to my loose wheel while being both professional and friendly. The motorcycle tyre guy is a motorcyclist and we have a chat.

As of today I have my 500 with a new rear, Sharon's 250 is also as it should be. Moto-tyres' tyre still hasn't arrived so I've sent them an email to see what the score is there. All is well with the world. Except my house is falling down, the self employed work is hit-n-miss, Sharon's done her back in, the weather's hit-n-miss and I've got eczema on my scar. Normal service then.

Will I be ever trying to self-fit a new tyre? Unfortunately, yes. Call me obstinate, call me stupid, call me the same things I called myself for a whole day. But. 

If you do not care for the paintwork on your wheel rims then changing a tyre is quite easy. 3 big tyre levers and some soapy water (not washing up liquid, it contains salt that corrodes the alloy or steel) and Bob's ya uncle. If you do care about your paintwork then you're into a whole world of pain (often literally).

And yet I am still working on my tools and my technique. I have a crafted a new tool that needs development and some brazing to get working well. I'm playing with my practice rim and tyre to explore new ideas and methods. I will get there but there may be more tears and tantrums in the future. 

A block of wood, threaded bar and an old chain adjuster - but what is it?
It needs work but the prototype does work. If only I'd thought of this before TyreGate...

If you'd like Ren to test your DIY tyre fitting tool contact ren@bikesandtravels.com

Reader's Comments

Upt'North ¹ said :-
Firstly, do not leave blemishes on Shaz's rear. How vulgar!
Secondly, why in the man above's name would you go though all that for a "tenner"?
Thirdly, oh I remember now, "because we don't have to".
Fourthly, thanks.
12/05/2021 11:50:41 UTC
Bob said :-
I fit my own tyres on the KLX, but it's easier on that bike because the rims are larger diameter (18" and 21").
I wouldn't have worried about that nick in the bead, I've run round with far worse than that!
Technique-wise I'd say make sure you're not rushing the job, specifically make sure that the tyre is pressed right down into the well of the rim when you're levering at the other side.
Also, I don't use soapy water, I use WD40 (or similar) - sounds insane but the WD makes the tyre nice and slippery, so it's easy to fit and then it (the WD40) evaporates and actually sticks the tyre to the rim and of course it helps prevent corrosion on the inside of the rim - particularly important for spoked wheels.
12/05/2021 12:33:41 UTC
Bogger said :-
1. FFS Ren. Just spend a tenner man. It's really not worth the hassle.

2. Re an update on the headlamp. Err things have come to a bit of a halt on the headlamp front. Err, I gave the painters a severe B******g yesterday. Today they are sulking and are now 'too busy' to sort it at the moment.

I'll let the dust settle so to speak and maybe, talk nicely, to them tomorrow. ******g painters.

12/05/2021 12:59:01 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
That nick would be nothing to worry about but it's your £80. I must say either tyres are getting harder or I'm getting weaker (probably both) I did have a struggle with the 3.00 section front tyre on the Fanny-B a couple of weeks ago. And being a tubed type obviously worried about nipping it and having to do it all again.....
12/05/2021 16:47:40 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Bob - I am certainly NOT keen on the notion of using WD40 as a lube. I'm sure you know but for other readers - you don't want a regular lubricant on the tyre. Imagine putting the brake on and while the wheel stops the tyre keeps on slipping around on the lube you used to fit the tyre. Tyre lubes are designed to stay slippery for a short time until the tyre is mounted then they should dry off, become at least non-slippery if not sticky.

I have not experimented with WD40 myself. I've used the stuff for lubricating many things and it's been my experience it keeps lubricating for at least *some* time.

It's not just the tenner Bogger. It's the ability to change a tyre when it suits me, it's the ability to repair a puncture when it suits me, it's also become a matter of personal challenge. As stated if the scratches on your rim bother you not then I can do it (sort of) easily. You've seen my bike, I'm not bothered about the odd scratch but I'm intrigued to see if I can really get to grips with this.
12/05/2021 16:53:42 UTC
CrazyFrog said :-
Back in the day, I used to use a device called a tyre breezer, which was a unique design of tyre lever made out of alloy bar which made tyre fitting a, errr, breeze. Over the years it somehow vanished, and I couldn't find a replacement until I came across these Stubby Tire Levers from America. They are available in this country via the bay of fleas. The investment of £30 odd soon repays itself and its impossible to damage your rims.
12/05/2021 19:16:53 UTC
Sam said :-
Get some tyre soap from your friendly tyre shop. Transforms the job,believe me.Half a jam jar full will last a lifetime!
12/05/2021 19:28:19 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
Strange innit.
To some WD40 is the elixir of life personified.
To others it's the devil's own drool.
Ya know, along the lines of it saved my life to that blasted fish oil caused my marriage to break up.
I sit somewhere in the middle but it is a fact (I think) that it was first designed as a dedicated water dispersant.
Although from a purely logical point of view, why wouldn't you just use tyre lube on a tyre, although even more logically why wouldn't you just use a man with his own tub of lube. I mean they're open 6/7 days a week for probably 10 hours each day and they charge you bugger all really.
To each their own.
Which reminds me I best measure my tyre depth, I've got an Ed thing going on about when best to change.
13/05/2021 10:39:02 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
I remmber when WD40 first came out in the late 1960s. I was a technical apprentice with the CEGB assigned to the instrument shop and we were given a can to test. I tried a small expoeriment - sprayed a bit of mild steel with WD40 and put it outside on a windowsill along with an untreated bit. The sprayed one did rust perceptibly slower.

Fast forward half a decade or so and I was working as an AA patrol. WD40 came into its own as distributors on many cars were very susceptible to damp. Whip the cap off, a quick squirt of the magic can and off went a happy customer. Of course the same thing would happen the next day.

The worst culprits were Ford Escorts and Minis with the distributor stuck out at the fron behind the rad grille - which to make life even harder was non-detachable on minivans making life difficult.

And fish oil has nothing to do with it - it's mostly paraffin. In fact it's a good cutting lubricant for drilling aluminium alloy.

Oh by the way what does A'th mean?
13/05/2021 10:52:29 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
But why do so many people say it's blummin fish oil when a quick read of the TDS would confirm it's path to life. But of course then we wouldn't have endless threads on the use or not of WD40.
13/05/2021 14:17:02 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
Why do so many people say so many stupid things? Beats me. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that we're now so used to people who are in powerful positions telling us blatant lies. And getting away with it. £350 million a week anyone?
13/05/2021 16:55:47 UTC
Snod said :-
Of course the rate of tyre wear slows as the tyre squares off and the contact patch gets larger, so there was loads of life left in it really..

How does someone so wracked with worry even manage to ride a motorcycle in the first place? Are you sure you're up to it our Ed? (lol!)
13/05/2021 18:14:38 UTC
Jim said :-
Ian, you’re bang on. We’re in the post-truth era now, when so called celebrities are invited onto the TV to tell ‘their truth’, which by any objective assessment is actually a steaming pile of horsesh*t, yet cannot be challenged. And don’t get me started on the £350 million.

Perhaps I need to get the bike out and work this off.
13/05/2021 19:08:48 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Snod - No I'm not up to it. I think I'd be better off just staying at home where it's safe and legal. Oh wait. More people die at home than on a motorcycle!! (True, but statistics can be misleading). I am indeed a worrier. I have many fears which have caused me to live a life not quite as wild as I would have wished. Alternatively my fears have kept me out of prison so far, debt free and comfortable. For every pro there is a con, and vice versa. Still, I am indeed a worrywart. Pass me my hi-viz, my knee pads, my back protector and my visible white helmet will ya?

Jim, Ian, Upt' - "Truth" used to be what the TV and newspapers told us. This too had good and bad points. On the one hand the news was supplied by professional outlets with real journalists not Facebook and YouTube conspiracy theorists. On the other hand if David Attenborough told us there were Sharks swimming in Venus' methane seas we would have believed it. Spaghetti trees?

Today everyone (and everything it seems) has an opinion and woe-betide you if you disagree with that opinion. Social media was meant to bring us together but alas it seems to divide us ever more. It doesn't even need to be about religion or race or sexuality either. Go on a motorcycle forum just like this and mention oil, you'll soon realise there is no hope for humanity.

"A'th" Ian? Thas bin angin roond wit posh folks tay long lad. Thas fergeeten ow fot spek proper like wot I does. Geet thesen fot Wiggin and ava wurd wit locals, thas'll soon ken worra ment.
14/05/2021 08:06:13 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
It's those posh apostrophes you're missing out that got me Ren. Shouldn't it be "A' th' mill"? Or even "A' t' Mill"?
14/05/2021 10:25:27 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Everyone's a blooming critic! I have a (limited) grasp on correct apostrophe use in real English but not in the creation of colloquial writing. Giz us a break will ya!
14/05/2021 12:19:06 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
You've got me thinkin Ed, not good.
I should order tyres.
14/05/2021 13:14:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Would you order online or via a shop that'll fit them? A lot of bona fide tyre shops don't like to merely fit your cheaply purchased tyres from the interweb. Also - DO IT NOW! Why? Because Covid. Many manufacturers have cut production to cut costs and there's been a lack of sales as no-one has been going anywhere to wear out tyres. My Conti-Motion still hasn't arrived and I'd have been stuck without my second option.
16/05/2021 20:42:32 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
Thanks for the heads up Ren/Bren/Ed, I'll get onto it this week.
I think I've said before, but, I let Little Richie at Hartlepool order and fit. It's an easy, efficient and cost effective way of obtaining two black round things.
At the moment I'm just concerned if they're fitted too soon then they may not be OK for Spain/Portugal in September, if that indeed can actually happen.
I think I'll order, pay and they can sit on his shelf.
Isn't life complicated. I hate bugs!
17/05/2021 09:31:15 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I don't know how amiable your tyre bod Little Richie is but they might object to having to store your black round things. You could ask for him (her?) to get them in, you collect them and store them till just before your "viaje a españa" then take them back to fit them.
17/05/2021 12:51:33 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
Little Richie will help me out Ren, he's a top bloke, albeit little.
I'll let you know if he can get me some or if supply is short.
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17/05/2021 13:11:53 UTC
Bob said :-
Ren, I think you may have missed the point with the WD40.
Spray some on old tyre sidewall and watch what happens.
The WD40 evaporates away very quickly and leaves a residue that actually sticks the tyre to the rim.
18/05/2021 07:36:52 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I shall give that a whirl Bob. I have even got some genuine WD40 paid for with my own money!!

How little is Little Richie Upt'?
18/05/2021 10:01:08 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
He would make Madame du Soleil look giant like.
But never tell him.......you've been warned.
18/05/2021 13:15:35 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
Bob - if it sticks the tyre to the rim that'll make it harder to get off again. What's wrong with tyre soap - I'm sure Little Richie would give you some if you asked nicely. I still have the half tub I scrounged from a local tyre fitter who was fitting my car's tyres decades ago. Makes life much easier.
18/05/2021 14:22:08 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
Ooh, just used the edit!
18/05/2021 14:22:24 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I do agree entirely that tyre soap is the correct product for tyre removal and fitting - but of course there's a but.

Tyre soap leaves a residue, and an odd residue. Applying the mindset "If a little does a little good, then a lot will do a lot of good" I have in the past used what might be termed an "excessive" amount of tyre soap. The excess tyre soap does not magically vaporise and disappear to become someone else's problem, rather it dries then as the wheel rotates forms small balls of hardened dried out tyre soap in the tyre. While this has never proven to be an issue I could hear these balls rolling inside the tyre when pushing the bike around. Could they affect wheel balance?

Also I will suggest that tyre soap, while somewhat slippery, is nowhere near as slippery as, say, WD40. If you've gotten a gert big tyre machine with enough force to fit even the toughest of tyres then a little tyre soap just eases the passage. When you're fighting at home with rusty levers and naff plastic rim protectors I think I'd fancy my chances more with WD40.

I must re-emphasise that WD40 is NOT designed or recommended for tyre fitting. Before using KY Jelly or your nan's furniture polish to fit tyres realise there dangers in using ANYTHING other than a lubricant designed for fitting tyres. Consult your medical practitioner AND a professional tyre expert.
19/05/2021 07:46:20 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
Maybe not?
19/05/2021 13:39:53 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
I've seen these extolled in various places for years but can't actually understand how they work. Surely if one part of the wheel / tyre is heavier then it will tend to move out further under the influence of inertia and as far as I can see that would cause the beads to collect in that area hence aggravating the problem.

Still by no means convinced about WD40.
19/05/2021 14:53:40 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
Centripetal apparently Ian.
But it's probably witchcraft.
19/05/2021 23:22:19 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
You've said it now....

What people call centrifugal force is in fact inertia and is the tendency of objects to continue in their path unless an external force stops them. So any point on a rotating tyre will tend to shoot off at a tangent to its radius (not outwards diametrically which is what centrifugal is). It is prevented from doing so by the centripetal (ie towards the centre) force which is supplied by the fact that the tyre construction stops it. If there is a bit of mud in the tread and it becomes detached and flies off it follows that tangential path.

But this doesn't explain (to me at least) how those beads work. I'll stick with my collection of weights fitted on the spoke nipples....
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20/05/2021 10:19:15 UTC
Bogger said :-
Ian, why have you fitted a car tyre to a motorcycle wheel?

Bogger, the inquisitive

20/05/2021 16:49:10 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
Don't rise to it Ian, no good will come of it.
Nasty boys.
Now about centripetal........
20/05/2021 16:52:10 UTC
Ian Soady¹ said :-
Upt', as you know I will rise to anything....

It's not a car tyre it's the (in)famous Avon Safety Mileage. It does look squarer in the pic than it does in reality but they're not actually as bad as people say. They are better fitted to sidecar tugs however.

As it happens, there are people who do fit car tyres. Probably the same ones that think 5G causes coronavirus and that lizards control the world....
21/05/2021 10:33:08 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
One for sale here Ian........from the other forum in The Good'Ol US of A obviously. Run flat too.
Bought a Goldwing, so I no longer ride my well-maintained (complete records), higher-milage ST1300 with cruise control, electronic deer alert, Russell Day-Long seat, larger windshield, super-bright LED auxiliary lights, heated grips, back-rest, top trunk, built-in radar detector with flashing LED alert light. Comes with a nice cover and will throw in a genuine Honda tank bag if interested. 115,000 miles. Currently has Goodyear Triple Tred run-flat car tire installed. Runs like a top!
Condition: Good
Text or call 989-640-7399
21/05/2021 11:02:02 UTC
crofty said :-
What i do Ren is buy a rear wheel off ebay for my touring bike. My last bike a NC700 did 60k of long euro tours over 6 years. I always had a new tyre on my spare wheel ready to change out for the tour, on returning I could fit the old wheel and run the tyre to reasonable depth, when it was time to fit a new tyre I would swap them out with the new tyred wheel standing by for the next tour. My present bike a v strom has 7k on it and still has 3mm but maybe tight for a long trip, I got a new wheel/complete with new tyre,disc,sprocket etc from ebay for a 100 quid ish. It means changing out wheels a couple of times a year but the satisfaction of not having to discard part worn tyres more than makes up for that. I find the fronts not so much of a problem as I seem to get 10/12k from them and can comfortably fit 2 euro tours in with local running before changing them at +/- 2mm.
21/05/2021 16:22:22 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
That's a good idea Crofty.
Although I would need both the front and rear as they're both shot by about 7000 miles.

21/05/2021 16:50:40 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
It's a mighty fine idea Crofy but not without issues - primarily finding at least a rear (front would be nice too) for a reasonable price. The CB500X (2018) shares it's wheels with the other 500s (CBR500, CB500F) and I *think* but I'm not sure if they're the same as the NC750 range. Whatever, they're a common bike in which case I ought to keep scanning Ebay to see if a bargain comes up. I don't mind if it(they) is(are) scratched or whatnot, as long as they're round and secure.
23/05/2021 16:51:19 UTC
crofty said :-
Rears seem to be more common than fronts Ren, guess its the front that suffers worst in crashes !
If you do go the ebay route, save the search and they will contact when they come up, try to get wheels with discs and abs rings on as it more expense. Good luck if you try it.
23/05/2021 17:42:19 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
It's like forks Crofty. You'll pick up rear suspension easily for most bikes but forks? Bent in a crash...

I once set up an Ebay notification on "CBF250 Cylinder Head" when I had the CBF250 some 5 years back. I've cancelled the search but Ebay still insist on telling me there's a new head gasket or breather mount every 3 or 4 months. Never the less - yeah - I'll set up a notification. Another advantage of having a spare rim is I can practice and improve my DIY mounting skills that my readership tells me is a waste of my time and energy.

I'll suss it out one day and then, THEN they'll worship me and my ingenuity and my tenacity and my genius. Actually no, no they won't, they'll continue to mock me and my questionable bodging skills, my home made ridiculous creations and my tight fistedness and my dirty grubby bikes. Can anyone tell me why I run this blog? The only logical assumption is I have some strange fetish about being taunted by my peers.
24/05/2021 10:16:47 UTC
Bogger said :-
Ed. I think it's your bodging ineptitude that inspires us to let someone who's actually qualified and importantly has the right tools do a job, both safely and correctly.

But please don't stop doing what you do, as the entertainment value is priceless.

24/05/2021 12:54:52 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
Wot E Said.
24/05/2021 13:29:55 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
"bodging ineptitude"... BODGING INEPTITUDE!!! How very dare you! Why you... you little... GRRRR.

From Collins Dictionary - "If you bodge something, you make it or mend it in a way that is not as good as it should be."

So - a bodge is something created or fixed but in a manner that is not as good as it ought to be. In which case - Bogger - I am a one man living embodiment of the very word bodge. If my creations were good, if my repairs were excellent then I would not be a bodger at all. Therefore I am an excellent bodger, while I may be an inept mechanic and a feckless engineer I am far from inept at bodging. Most if not all my creations and repairs fail to meet high standards and are therefore high quality bodges.

Maybe... just maybe I have at long last found the one thing I excel at. Failing, I excel at failing. Go ME!
24/05/2021 18:57:36 UTC
Snod said :-
crofty - do you swap the disc and sprocket over to the new wheel every time? Or do you maybe just have a separate pair of brake pads for each disc so they don't have to bed in?
25/05/2021 00:10:46 UTC
crofty said :-
Snod, the two bikes i have done this with were wheels that had a disc,tyre,abs ring on when sold. It would be counter productive to switch discs etc. My latest is a V strom, a guy on ebay bought a new one and decided to put different wheels on a new bike, he put the brand new original wheels on ebay complete with tyres, discs etc. The change of back wheel with the existing brake pads has never created a problem, i have never noticed the difference. I only do it with rears, maybe with a front change it might be different. And to be completely accurate the new V strom wheel has never been fitted yet due to no big trips be undertaken due to covid.
25/05/2021 08:37:53 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Which V-Strom crofty?
29/05/2021 17:32:41 UTC
crofty said :-
Its the 650 i keep a spare back wheel for. I was thinking about the 250 as well but as I only intend to use it for short UK tours I can better manage the tyre wear.Incidentally left yesterday for a week in the highlands as the weather promises to be fine all week.
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30/05/2021 09:40:20 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
You lucky lucky git. Not envious, not at all. Pfffft.

Pictures please. Yes I will get angry and annoyed but I still enjoy seeing the images.
30/05/2021 10:19:07 UTC
crofty said :-
this is the digs in Grantown on Spey. deep in the Cairngorm national park. runs in all directions.
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Upt'North ¹ said :-
Very nice Crofty.
30/05/2021 18:12:33 UTC
CrazyFrog said :-
Lovely piccies Crofty, you lucky devil...
31/05/2021 16:27:54 UTC
crofty said :-
still great weather, doing the little roads in the Cairngorms today.
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Upt'North ¹ said :-
Look out for dropping sheep Crofty.
31/05/2021 18:55:03 UTC
crofty said :-
well i'm always looking out for sheeps droppings Upt so the other way round won't hurt
01/06/2021 07:40:21 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Dam crofty that looks lovely.
02/06/2021 10:42:09 UTC

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