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Long Term Honda CBF 125 Review

By Ren Withnell

I purchased this bike because it was the right bike at the right time and I had the right money. I've never hankered after a CBF 125 but when it came up for sale with 5,700 miles on the clock and my old 125 was looking a little shakey it just made sense. I've now owned the motorcycle for just over a year and put over 10,000 miles on it. I figure I've done enough to form an opinion about Honda's budget priced 125.

honda cbf 125 parked in windermere in the sunshine
CBF 125 in day-tripping trim. It's the future don't ya know.

The general consensus is the CBF was introduced in 2009 to replace the venerable and highly regarded CG 125. Those are very big shoes to fill. The CG was known for being bullet proof, simple to fix, cheap to run, reliable and tough. Over the years there were a few styling changes but it remained 2 wheels, a 125 engine, brakes and clocks and somewhere to sit. They weren't built to win races or fashion parades, they were built to be ridden, a lot. That sounds like my kind of bike, I hoped the CBF 125 would also be the same.

If you park a CBF 125 next to a CG 125 there is one glaring difference. The CBF has a fairing. It's not a full on sport fairing but it's there holding the clocks, headlight and a dinky screen. WHY? I guess if you're 17 then maybe it makes it look sporty and modern but to me it screams "expensive". It makes repairs take longer, if you drop the bike it breaks, it's more complicated and with a top speed of 70 mph downhill with the wind behind you it is very rarely required or effective. Sometimes I wonder what Honda are thinking but I never do understand styling anyhow.

cbf 125 front end showing the small fairing
I mean really? I guess it's somewhere to put me gloves when I (rarely) need to fill it up.

There's a whole new motor in place with overhead cam rather than the CG's pushrod setup. Pushrods do make cylinder head repairs a lot simpler but let's face it just about every engine these days is overhead cam. The fuel and ignition is also fully electronic, digitised and injected. Again this is much much harder to self-repair and maintain but requires less maintenance and is more fuel efficient. The CBF does not share the entirely DIY roadside repair simplicity it's predecessor had. 

In fact this is my first injected motorcycle. There's no choke lever to ponder over whilst assessing how cold and damp it may be. The computer "sorts it out". There's a sensor on the exhaust outlet so the computer can tell if it's running lean or rich. I later purchase a manual and learn there's bleeding sensors everywhere. Oil temperature, air temperature, engine position, throttle position. Oh my goodness I dare not fart while I ride for fear of the computer sensing it and being upset. I half expect a message to appear where the mileage is that criticises my riding style.

This bike has a low price due to the fact it's made in India. I'm uncertain where later models come from and I know Honda has started producing much of it's range in Thailand now but mine is definitely from India. And it shows if you look hard. The paint is good and the rest of the finish is up to the lower end of Honda's excellence. Yet remove the rocker cover to adjust the tappets and you'll find sharp edges and unfinished castings. The original TWS tyres are not just poor, they are positively dangerous (replace with Conti-Go's, later models come with these from new). The wheel spindles are skinny and cheap. None of these things will make the bike less reliable or fall apart quicker but it lacks that solid quality feel of genuine Jap models. 

continental conti-go! fitted to a cbf 125 rim
Continental's Conti-Go! is the only way to go on a CBF 125. 

So what has it been like to own? I do rather like the whole fuel injection thing now. I just press the starter button and it starts and ticks over. Warm and sunny and with a hot engine, or cold and wet and windy and miserable after being stood for a week, just press the button. No choke, no throttle just press the button. That is the case now and was the case when I first got it. Between it was not the case.

Honda recommends a service every 2,500 miles. For the engine oil that makes sense but this includes the tappets and that seems excessive. By about 9,000 miles my bike would not start unless I had the throttle on and would not tick over until it was warm. I pondered all kind of sensors and digital problems but eventually I stopped being lazy and set the tappets. The exhaust was tight. It now starts and runs perfectly once again. Another lesson learned the hard way.

The Conti-Go tyres were fitted around 9,000 miles ago and are still perfectly serviceable with good tread. I expect the rear will last another 3,000 miles and the front will crack up before it actually wears out. The tyres are a vast improvement over the nasty TVS's that it came with but they don't quite grip as good as some 125's I've ridden. Regrettably knee down grip cannot be expected from a tyre that lasts as long as the Contis do. They're not scary and for a commuter and day tripper like myself I'm satisfied with them. 

Everything else is on a par with other 125's I've owned or ridden. The brakes are simple but effective. The performance of the engine is just like any other 125 but I can say the injection provides clean, linear and accurate throttle response. There's no flat spots or nasty fluffyness. The handling is neutral, natural and easy just as it should be on a bike aimed at novices. The twin shocks at the rear are no longer fashionable but having ridden them I see no problem at all with the way they work. It is a basic bike but Honda's experience shows through in that everything works as it ought to.

I ride a mundane 25 mile route to work on it and it is easy, unchallenging and comfortable. I take myself off on days out and I can either cruise and relax or thrash it senseless and laugh my heart out bouncing around the countryside. I use it 2 up to run the gf and I around town on chores or days out and it impresses me with it's tenacity and performance. I've been on nights away camping and it takes a load and a half without complaint just a little shimmy. Hell it's even been off roading a couple of times.

honda cbf 125 with a large camping gear load
The CBF in "World Traveller" mode. Who needs a BMW?

But most 125s will do all this, so what separates the CBF 125 from the rest of the crowd because it really excels at nothing? 130, 140, even 150 mpg. My last 125, a Honda CLR 125 City Fly with carburettor, would achieve between 110 and 120 mpg. That seems to be the ball park figure of a carb 125. All those sensors, all that computing on the CBF 125 mean that just the right amount of fuel and no more is injected. Enthusiastic motorway riding and 2 up hill climbing will return 130 mpg. I've never been below 130 mpg. Normal commuting and pottering around gives me 140mpg. The gf's been learning to ride so being slow and careful with her behind has seen a maximum of 153mpg. That is impressive.

I do love this bike. It has served and is serving me very well and very economically. Finally I love the tank. I can do 300 miles before the needle gets close to the red. I normally fill up around 330 miles. I read overland travellers websites and they dream of 300 mile tank ranges on their BMW's and KTM's. With massive modifications they achieve this, I do it all the time. They must spend 40, nay 50 pounds to fill theirs, I spend £14. 

Enjoy your ride. Spend the money you've saved on fuel to buy cuppa and a slice of cake at a pretty cafe instead. Is it better than the CG 125? No...no not really...but it's no worse and even more fuel efficient.

Reader's Comments

Patchy said :-
Ren that is a great write up of your 125, nuff said
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Latchy said :-
Who is this patchy bloke ?
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Patchy...I reckon 'e's a bit dodgy like
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
john de ville said :-
Finally I love the tank.


he does you know, we often catch him stroking and cuddling it and whispering sweet nothings in its filler cap..................................lol
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I do love the tank and I whisper sweet nothings into the filler. That's why I achieve 140mpg not the 87.5mpg that MCN reports. I can only assume they never bothered with 3rd, 4th and 5 gear.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Johan said :-
Great review, thanks!

But mpg is confusing without specifying if US mpg or British mpg.

Your is British i guess, and maybe 87.5mpg that MCN reports is US.


Everybody should follow the same standard and use l/10km ;)
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Johan.

I'm using UK gallons @ 4.54 litres per gallon, not the US gallon.

MCN, being a UK magazine, I ASSUME they'd be using UK gallons too. I do note that MCN's fuel figures are typically appallingly low. MCN testers I guess are used to riding GSXR's and Ninja's to within an inch of their ability. So when they step off a 160 bhp motorcycle to a 11 bhp one they will find it slow. As such they'll rev the nuts off it in an attempt to get it to go as fast as the super sport models they're used to.

Normal people, such as myself, ride on real roads with busy traffic and keep to the speed limits. I cannot comment on what other people's fuel economy is like but I'm as accurate and pedantic as I can be with my measurements. The biggest error will be in the actual reading from the fuel pump.

140 mpg is my typical figure. I'll stand by that. I'd like to achieve 200 mpg!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Johan said :-
Im sure youre right about that...

Other than that, would you say the cbf 125 is fast enough, or do you feel the need for a stronger bike?

Me myself is not a tuff guy, i just wanna cruise around and have a good time, no need to push the 100 m/h mark. Ive had som riding on other 125s and when going uphill, the bike struggles and im losing speed. Don´t like!


01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Johan said :-
One more!

Whats your top speed. No wind, not downhill...
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Johan.

Flat out, flat motorway, no wind...maybe just maybe 70 mph. Usually 60 to 65 is achievable.

I have a Fazer 600, 95 bhp, top speed 140 mph. And...I use the CBF most of the time and I LOVE IT!. Why? The Fazer can NEVER be properly thrashed on the open roads. Not only would I lose my licence very quickly I'd probably end up dead. The CBF and other small bikes can be ridden hard without falling foul of the law. And when I don't want to ride hard? The little bikes are so light, so gentle and so easy to ride.

Yeah, yeah there are times up a steep hill or into a strong headwind that I really wish I had more power. But then is that not part of the challenge? It's a small price to pay for what is otherwise a whole lot of fun. I rode up one of the steepest roads in the UK, the Hardknott Pass, on the CBF. It's so steep and so difficult I'd have dropped a bigger bike.

Finally, when all you're mates can't ride out because they've spent all their pennies on big bikes, fancy leathers and expensive fuel bills, you'll still be buzzing around doing well over 100 mpg and they'll never open their throttles wide open like you can. Enjoy 125s!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Davey Dave said :-
125's ROCK! My CBR 125 gives me over 100mpg and 10,000 laffs per ride.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
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01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Pepid said :-
Just bought one a little CBF 125, can't wait to get out and about on it. I love the fact that it's only a 125cc. Back in the day my father owned classic Norton, Goldstar & Ariel Leaders etc before moving on to a Honda 250cc then a 400cc Superdream. His last proper bike was a Honda CX650 and it was so dull that he gave up biking. He finally bought a Honda C90 which he drove everywhere on. I now understand his reasons for liking the C90. The more powerful the bike, the smaller the world gets. I have seen so many dull and unhappy looking professional types getting off their big BMW "Ewan McGregor" 2 wheeled Landrovers that I wonder if they are as bored as they look. I thought the Borg had cloned the things. I like the challenge of day trips on quiet roads, lots of little places to see that are too easily passed by at speed on a bigger bike. I'm just happy to be out again on two wheels trying to be safe and not get in anybody's way, just doing my thing. Living in Central Scotland I'm blessed by having almost empty roads to Oban and the West Coast. Biking shouldn't be only about speed, "Knitting Club", you know who you are!!!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Roland said :-
I commute 40 miles daily through London on a CBF 125. After 1,700 reasonably careful miles my average is 162mpg. Reckon 200 would be achievable with yet more care.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Wow Roland! 162 mpg is impressive. I do get better fuel around town and being in London I guess you're around town a lot. A 40 mile commute is fair going in the big smoke too.

Pepid, I love the phrase "The more powerful the bike, the smaller the world gets." Indeed it's true. On a 125 the world is enormous with so much to explore, on a big bike everything else is small and flashes by unseen. I am so jealous of you living up there in Scotland, it sure is God's own motorcycle playground.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Roland said :-
I don't have to try hard to reach over 160mpg. Owing to the nature of city riding I'm limited to 30mph (so no full throttle), and I've found the safest and quickest way to weave through dense traffic is gentle acceleration and coasting in top gear whilst tracking everything 50 yards ahead on the road. I don't find 40 miles per day of congestion particularly easy or enjoyable!

My 200mpg belief would is based on not using the brake at all (i.e. without traffic). Will try a 4am journey one day.

The fuel economy means I'm spending £1.30 on fuel each day. With insurance that comes to around £2. A return train fare, even with Oyster, is £12.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Roland

I think you need to find yourself an empty running track that allows you on with the CBF and spend and hour or six cruising around at 30mph. You'll get top economy then!

I often feel motorcycling is being pushed out of popular reach by new regulations. For the urban dweller such as yourself small motorcycles like the CBF, Wave and countless other machines could be both economical to run and incredibly environmentally beneficial.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
D said :-
Hi Ren,

Very nice review of the bike!

I'm thinking about getting a CBF125 but read about lots of rust issues people have had with relatively new bikes. Do you ride it a lot in the winter/rain? Have you noticed if it rusts faster than you'd expect or do you use something (WD-40, etc.) to protect it?


01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi D

Rust...hmmm. To be honest, I personally have not had any serious rust issues. My motorcycle was made in India and you can tell it's not up to the usual Japanese Honda build quality. I have read somewhere the later models are made in Thailand and I don't know what the build quality is like on then.

My CBF has been used through 2 winters by myself. It has seen salt, enormous amounts of rain and usually at the end of the ride it is just thrown into my shed, not lovingly cleaned. Yes there is rust here and there but it is no worse than any other motorcycle I've owned.

A lot of people trust ACF 50 to keep the rust at bay. I'm not a clean freak so I'll use WD-40, grease, old engine oil or whatever else comes to hand.

The most important thing is mechanical maintenance. Change the oil often as per the service schedule and be sure to check the tappets too, they go tight if left too long.

Cheers, Ren.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Rick said :-
what are those panniers and where ca i get them? :) thanks

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
They are Hien Gericke panniers Rick, of quite some vintage! I very much doubt they're still in production I'm afraid. They are rather splendid.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Lee said :-
I've just bought a honda cbf and it's the best bike that I've bought am 42 years old my first bike was an AR 50 that was good then the AR 80 and that was over 20 years ago don't no if an having a mid life crises but I saw this bike and fell in love with it now I've had it for two weeks and been everywhere on it if your thinking about getting one then do so it's amazing and the people that's stopped me and said the bike looks amazing people just love the look of it mines still brand new and already got 70 out of her with no rattling no wind just pure bike amazing 100% brill 5***** A++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Mr barry said :-
Bought a cbf and it was the best ever thanks honda and lee love you xxxxxx
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Terry Farrell said :-
Thanks for the write up. You have the same impression as me! I find it easy to ride, economical on fuel, service, RFL and insurance. It cruises happily at 55/60 mph too. Not sure about top speed though: it sounds a busy engine once you get to 8,000 revs, so why thrash it any harder!

It's a fantastic commuter bike whilst still being excellent for off-auto route touring if you're not in a hurry!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Terry. Yip, touring should not be about blasting past all the things you've come to see. I like to bimble, to dawdle and to soak it all in.

PS. The bike's now got 29,000 miles on the clock. If you read the blog regularly you'll know I've had to change the clutch basket and set the tappits, that's all. I still love the bike.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Lyrron Ridepn said :-
There is a 145 cc big - bore option that was offered in the past . don't know if the kit is still made. Also the honda GL145 is the same engine but that capacity.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Lyrron

145cc!! Pure POWER!! The only problem with a big bore kit or even fitting a CBF 150 motor is that of insurance. Some dweeb somewhere in a darkened insurance office won't like people tinkering with their bike.

Still, it'd be great fun to try.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
samson said :-
the bike so economical I wonder if it actually uses the petrol I filled it with, I am happy with mine done 268miles to full tank
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ben said :-
Hi,

Great article thanks.

I would not describe myself as a "biker" as I also cycle and drive a car

I am thinking of getting a CBF 125 for my daily 28 mile round trip commute to Central London as I want a newer bike for commuting.

I have a couple of bikes, a BMW K75S (1987) and a CB 250 nighthawk 1996 model.

The K75S is a beautiful machine with very smooth turbine sounding engine. The CB250 is used throughout the year to commute on.Its a great little bike. On a 3(3.5 including reserve) UK gal I get approx 350 miles before switching to the reserve tank. The only problem is that all the 125's and mopeds are much faster and the CB is getting a bit old.

I dont know if its me, but when I run the bike on BP or Esso fuel, I seem to get more mpg than when I use supermarket fuel & the bike runs much much smoother!!

One of my main bug bears about the CBF 125 that annoys me is the price. In India, a similar version sells for approx £600 inc taxes @ £1 = INR100.
Even with shipping(£200 per bike if shipped in a container of say 20 bikes), how can Honda justify the £2700 price !!!

I may ship a new one over from India!!!

Keep up the good work

Ben

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Ben.

The CB 250 Nighthawk, if I have the right model in mind, is a continuation of the amazing and most excellent CD200 Benly. Having done over 80,000 miles on a Benly I've hankered after a CB 250 for ages but the right one has never come up. It should be a GREAT bike.

Your CB 250 may be getting old but I can't believe it's slower than most of the 125's. I suspect something's amiss with your 250 if that's the case. I know they ain't fast but I've owned the similarly engined CMX 250 and that was quicker than my 125.

The CBF 125 would be ideal for your 28 mile commute though. Light, nimble, 140 mpg and just a good solid bike. Maybe you ought to test ride one first though, they're very light and the handling may come as something of a shock after riding bigger bikes. As for getting one from India...great idea! What about the warranty though?

Cheers, Ren.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ben said :-
Hi Ren,

Thanks for that.

Yes its a CB250 Nighthawk. Hardly any power (I wonder if its restricted?) But its great, economical to run and can be used in the rain/snow/Ice when bigger bikes I see on my daily commute suddenly disappear until the sun comes out!!. Its like riding a motorised push bike!!

I should be okay with a 125 as I used one for my motorbike DAS.

The K75S is a Great narrow machine, but for commuting, with London's pot holes I have to be very careful. It comes with me mainly at weekends(for Insurance purposes £102 fully comp ins for both bikes with a £250 x's)

I plan to test ride one very soon.The thing that puts me off the CBF125 is having to adjust the tappets EVERY 2500? miles!!!

As for the warranty, Honda should cover that. Most reputable manufacturers give a world wide warranty nowadays.

I was thinking of an Diesel or even an electric bike/bicycle for commuting as many of the cyclists that I see at the traffic lights soon catch up with me when i am stopped at the next set, then I wouldn't have to worry about MPG :).

Have you seen the one wheel electric MB capable of approx 600mpg equivalent?. Check out Ryno Motors

I look forward to your updates on the CBF125

Cheers
Ben







01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Ben.

Yes I've seen the Ryno, it looks like a very curious and fun bit of kit! I kind of think it's more aimed at the Segway type of user rather than motorcyclists but I bet it'll be a hoot to play on.

There's something up with your 250 for sure. My Benly 200 would easily cruise at 60 all day long and keep up with 125's, 250's and so on.

The CBF does have this 2,500 mile service interval with the valve check. I...I check mine every 10,000 miles and I've hardly touched them. I reckon 2,500 miles for the first few checks while everything beds in then leave 'em a bit longer. Mind you, to keep the warranty from Honda it will all have to be done properly and to the book otherwise they'll not play ball if you've got any problems.

I WISH, I HOPE AND I PRAY for someone to make a Diesel motorcycle! 500cc, about 25bhp, simple, basic, slow revving and reliable. Indian Enfield did one ages back, a 300 or 350cc dumper truck motor. It was slow, yes, but it was reliable and returned almost 200 mpg apparently.

The electric cycles are very good these days but most seem to have a 25 mile range. Your 28 mile commute would mean a little extra effort at the end of the ride and you'd have to be able to recharge at work. The tech is improving all the time though, it'll come to you soon enough.

Cheers, Ren.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Garvin Timmann said :-
I am just about to purchase a new Honda CBF125, so looking up what costs direct from India is appealing to me, £600 is cheap compared to £2700

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ben said :-
Hi,

Re Purchasing a Honda in India.

I have done some research online, and apparently you may have to own it before you can export it.

There maybe additional tax to pay when you do bring it over as its coming from outside the EEC

I will look into it when I get some time...

Does anyone know anything about the Honda Wave 110i?

Cheers
Ben
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I can imagine purchasing and importing a CBF 125 from India will be hard work! I'd be intrigued to see how you get on if either of you manage it. Good luck.

The Honda Wave 110i is, as far as I can tell, the successful successor to the inimitable C90 Cub. The main advantage is the motor is "interchangeable" with countless Chinese, Taiwanese and other engines. Pit bike engines....C90 engines...the list would be endless. Parts wouldn't be an issue too.

My main dislike about the Wave is just like the C90 it's got a tiny piddling tank. I know they're economical but I reckon 100 miles max before another dribble is required in a petrol station. Hell in the UK some places might not even serve you with less than 5 litres. If Honda would fit a larger tank (7 litres would do) then I think I'd get one tomorrow...
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Monk said :-
This is a deeply interesting 'blog'. I bought a CBF 125 a couple of months ago and to be honest I've only done 285 miles thus far. It costs me £17.00 to fill the tank and it is a fact that whilst not fast it does have an attractive sense of being able to feel your surroundings and actually 'smell' the air around you as you slowly hurtle through the countryside being overtaken by push bikes!This happened to me the other week.

I passed my CBT very recently so I'm new to biking and find the CBF does everything I want it to do.It's a relaxing ride and very fuel efficient and with fully comp insurance at £75.00 I feel it would suit almost everyone who needed an efficient ride to work or for leisure purposes.I'm not mechanically minded so at 500 miles, which could be some way off as I'm afraid I'm a fair weather rider, will have it serviced by the dealer from whom I purchased it new. So, at the ripe age of 63 I found myself on a CBF 125, throughly enjoying the 'buzz' of, what turns out to be, a pretty amazing little bike. It does it for me maybe it'll do it for you to. Happy riding.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Monk

Glad you're enjoying the CBF 125, it is a great machine. There's nothing wrong with getting it serviced by the dealer, because if anything does go wrong you can blame them for not looking after it properly!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Steve Thomas said :-
Hi there! Fantastic review first of all!

I recently got a 09 cbf125 and currently in love with the thing. Apart from having very hard grips (which will be changed to comfy ones) the bike takes me on a 80 mile work commute 4 days aweek in all weather!

I do feel that another comment advising the bike can feel a little down on power is correct. It's just a shame we are restricted to 125cc on a learner permit. I've ridden one of the newer cbf150"s and it feels like that the cbf125 should be. It's only got 3-4 bhp more but that makes all the difference whilst still returning around 135-140 mpg.

Anyway great review!!

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Steve

I've never considered the grips to be "hard", certainly no harder than any other grips I've had on any other bike. Mine's fitted with heated grips now and they're a little larger, perhaps that might help?

As for the power, it is what it is. Yeah, of course we all want more power but I've simply adjusted my riding style to suit the performance, or lack of it. If you think the 125 is lacking you should try a fully restricted 50cc moped! I'd say the CBF 125 is pretty torquey for a 125 and the output is "typical" for this kind of bike.

Anyhow, an 80 mile commute will save you a fortune on fuel! You'll rack up some miles, be sure to service the motor well.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Monk said :-
Hallo Ren...

Now had the CBF 125 about four months...it's a brilliant bike, apart from almost being blown off it the other day in a very strong wind doing about 60mph on a fairly empty but very open road with fields on both sides,the handling is excellent, although, I don't have anything to compare it with as this is my first motorcycle. I don't want to go back to driving a 'cage' biking is a serious buzz for me and very therapeutic, if ever I'm feeling down getting on the bike and buzzing off somewhere, anywhere cheers me right up and I forget all the bs life throws at me. I can't wait for the, potentially, warmer weather so I can get out on 'The Black Dog' more. Riding the CBF is so addictive that when the weather is not good enough for riding I actually get a bit 'depressed'! Buying the CBF is probably the best thing I've ever done, apart from a couple of things, ever. A great bike economical and a real buzz what more can anyone ask from life.Great blog, sorry if I've gone on a bit too much.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Monk said :-
Nearly forgot...I have still not reached the magic 500, now get a service, miles!:-)Having fun getting there though...
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hello again Monk.

There's something about riding a motorcycle, any motorcycle, that stirs the soul. I'm thrilled you're loving it. Biking has been a big part of my life now for 25 years even though it's almost killed me and left me with a couple of scars. Once it's in the blood it's hard to get out again.

Now get that bike up to 500 (it's usually 600) miles and get that first service done.

Where do you come from Monk?
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Monk said :-
I live not too far from Watford...the Hertfordshire one.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Watford near that there London place...innit.

Firstly when I'm next down that way you'll have to make me a brew :-)

Secondly if you want to write anything about your experiences on the CBF 125 I'd love to read them and with your permission put them on here for everyone else to read!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Monk said :-

No problem Ren, you're always welcome just let me know. I get up to Manchester once a month. Travelling on the metro from Piccadilly to Timperley for some drum stuff ( I play drums)so... if you're about on a Thursday during the day, mind you I generally only have about half an hour before I get off the train, from near that Lundun place, grab a quick cuppa and go for the Altrincham tram... but... if you're about....

Yep... be happy for you to print any of my CBF 125 ramblings mate...possibly be loads to write about once the service miles have been achieved, to gauge how differently she runs after the service and the sun starts to warm the old bones again...wishful thinking...about the sun!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Monk. Re Manchester you might recall but us young 'uns still have to earn a living during the week (sad face). But maybe one day.

As for ramblings all you need to do is type away!

As for sun...try living in Manchester... Sun is merely a legend, a myth.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Monk said :-
Sorry mate forgot about the earning a living stuff, I remember it only too well!If you're passing through Watford at any time let me know there's always a cuppa waiting.

As soon as I do anything of interest, apart from coming off the bike, I'll write something on the blog or should that read 'ont't blog' :-0 sorry, couldn't resist it.

Manchester is a very happening place musically, and the people are great, as far as I'm concerned, I've meet some lovely friendly people oop there, but, you're right, the weather is not often 'good'!

All the best Ren, don't overdo the earning a living stuff... it can get a bit much at times.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ben said :-
Hi Ren,

I have just been reading through the posts above re Diesel motorbikes

See http://www.dieselbike.net/

Cheers
Ben

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Ben.

I've been into the dieselbike.net pages on several occasions. I truly admire the efforts of those brave enough to construct their own diesel bikes, I think they're brilliant! However this is far beyond my skill level, I could make one but it would be a right old hash job.

They also have a few pointers to small time manufacturers where you can buy a ready made diesel, and perhaps a few of the old Enfield diesels from India. I just wish one of the big players would take diesels seriously and make a bona-fide motorcycle with full main dealer support.
www.dieselbike.net...
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ben said :-
Hi Ren,

I see the motorbike industry going down the Electric/Hydrogen Fuel cell route over the next few years....I dont see much of a future for Petrol/diesel..but hey what do I know :)
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Actually Ben you make a very good point. There are already several good electric motorcycles on the market and even Harley are tinkering with a new leccy bike. Why bother developing a Diesel when electric or some another "green" power source seems to be the future.

Still...I'd at least like to have seen one production diesel.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Kev said :-
Hi Fen I have been riding bikes 38 years and currently have anew old Cb 750. I wanted a small bike for work and was going to buy a Honda pcx 125 Scooter. I couldn't get on with it and got offered a cbf for the same deal. £ 99 deposit and £54 a month. Test drove the little bike and thought this is nice and I enjoyed riding it. I am very pleased to read your reviews and am happy with my decision.

CHEERS
Kev
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Kev. I reckon the CBF 125 will feel very light and tiny compared to the old CB750. It's a cracking machine the 125. I figure you got it new, so keep it serviced and I'm sure it will serve you well. Be sure to take it on a long ride one day, you'll be surprised how easy it is to go far and how much more you'll see at a gentle pace.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
martin said :-
if i commute with my125cg honda at about 40miles everyday, how often should i do oil change i am new to motorcycles.

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Martin said :-
If i commute with my 125cg honda everyday for 40mile,how often should i do oil change,i am new to motorcycles

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
You will probably find a CG 125 service manual online which will give you the details Martin. Initially I'd start at every 1,500 miles until you can find out for sure.

If you're completely new to motorcycling I strongly recommend you make friends with some experienced bikers or a local bike mechanic. Motorcycles need lots of regular maintenance. Has someone showed you how to lube the chain properly?
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
Hi Ren

Thanks for your informative and well balanced views! Very helpful.
I am a former 50cc scooter rider and since that was stolen 9 years or so ago, I have been a cyclist commuter. (In the London smog). I wondered if you might be able to offer some advice to me.

London is a scary place to be on a bicycle because you get overtaken by buses, vans, and lorries, often leaving only a few mm between us... all the time.

I am now coming back to my senses and looking to get a 125cc bike for my daily commute. I am leaning heavily towards getting a pre-owned Honda CBF125. Do you think that the power of a 125cc bike will be enough to pull away from the above mentioned vehicles? I know that on the 50cc scooter, it didn't have the ability to pull away fast enough in all situations. I am hoping that the extra power of a 125cc bike will make all the difference, but I have read in a few places that the CBF125 is sluggish. Can you possibly say anything to reassure me on this point?

Also, because of my past experience of the bike being stolen, I was wondering if you have any knowledge of fitting an alarm to this bike? Is it possible? Are they reliable? Whether it would be easily bypassed and a complete waste of money?

At work it will be difficult to chain to an immovable object, but the bike will be immediately outside the office window, so if the alarm went off I would hear it straight away. At home it would be parked in the driveway, chained to an anchor that I am having fitted.

Many thanks

Jonny
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Jonny

The CBF, as with most 125's, will keep up with the general traffic no problem but it's unlikely you'll actually beat a car that's being driven aggressively. Of course the CBF is sluggish compared to a 600 and it's not as quick as a sporty 125. It's all relative. In London the CBF will keep pace but you won't win any races.

There are alarms out there for the CBF125. In my humble opinion be wary of the ones that stop the bike from starting if it's gone off. I've seen too many folks stranded due to alarms not working. I'd prefer one that simply makes a noise if it's moved, especially if you're right next to it through the window. I can't recommend a particular model because I've no experience of using one myself.

Chaining to an anchor is a great idea. If, if it's at all possible I always think out of sight is out of mind. If nothing else get a cover for it. It stops thieves knowing what the bike is at least. I also know a baby monitor under the cover can act as a great alert to the fact that your bike is being interfered with.

But remember, if a professional thief wants your bike he's going to have it. There's only so much you can do. Just make yours harder to steal than the one down the road.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Henrik said :-
Jonny: I suggest the top-model Almax, if you can afford, only usefull at your address, to heavy to carry, but nice having your bike safe at its base. I got two of them, as expensive as a second-hand 125-mc, but worth it when you got sick and tired having things stolen, always lock to a steady point, evt an anchor,.. http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/
www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/...
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
VERY very interesting. Good link Henrik :)
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
Thank you very much for the info. If anybody can recommend a particular alarm that would be great too.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Dave said :-
Your MPG claim sounds like hogwash. Are you affiliated with Honda? I get 87MPG as do a lot of people on these motorcycles.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Dave. Are we talking UK or US gallons first of all, I'm talking UK gallons at 4.54 litres per gallon.

I might be talking hogwash, 'tis true. I would like to point out that I am not a fast rider which helps reduce fuel usage. I would like to also refer you to the link below. It seems I'm not the only person talking hogwash as some other CBF 125 riders are claiming 154mpg!

Please remember to set the units to "UK". I shall leave people to form their own opinions.
www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/cbf125...
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Paul said :-
Hi there, my grandson has just bought one of these bikes.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Paul said :-
Hello again,sorry my first post was so brief and unexplained.
I did not want to construct a long post only to have it disappear into the ether due to laborious registering and signing in.
Anyways I can now expand a little.
I am so pleased that grandson has chosen this bike after his disastrous introduction to biking last year with a Chinese twist and go, poor lad did very few miles on it before it needing constant work and even then reducing reliability to the point of scrapping it.
So I find this blog searching for reviews on the Honda,and what with him starting again and reading here, I am inspired to have another bike myself.
(2 years not riding due to New hip and other health probs)
I like your site here and I must say I find it interesting and refreshing.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Paul. I have often considered the merits and downsides of having a log in system. The thing is I don't want to be involved with collecting emails and storing passwords securely, too much responsibility!

It's a bad show with your grandson's scooter. Be aware though, my gf who also posts to this website has a Chinese Keeway 125 motorcycle and she's been very happy with it so far. 12,000 miles and barely a hiccup. We are becoming aware there are good and bad Chinese marques, it seems we were lucky enough to choose a good one.

My CBF 125 has been a great bike! It too however has had a few hiccups and if you read around the website you can find out all you want about those. Bear in mind though it now has 35,000 miles on the clock and leads a hard life as a workhorse and touring hack so I guess it's to be expected.

With regards getting back onto 2 wheels, if you can do it and you want to do it...then do it! If you're considering a smaller machine then don't be put off by the "Big is best" mentality some riders have. The best bike in the world is the one you're riding that day.

Cheers!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Paul said :-
Hi Ren
Thankyou for replying to my post so quickly.
Having a read round your site it looks like everybody is friendly, and done on trust that no one abuses that.
Yes I was aware that your gf has the Keeway,and am pleased it sounds a good bike.
I don't have a downer on all Chinese bikes, but my grandson was unlucky maybe with his.
And I admit to advising him to buy something Japanese this time, preferably Honda.
(although made elsewhere)
Mainly for reliability reputation and easy spares availability.
He seems to have bought well I hope, with a very clean 10 reg, with 4000 miles up.

As regards me back on two wheels, I am indeed thinking of a smaller engined bike, as the idea of getting good use out of a such a bike appeals to me.
I was thinking maybe a 250-500 as the 125s seem to be in high demand for the obvious reasons.
And maybe I can find a bargain that is too small for the road racers, and too big for starter bikes.
Having said that, I would be quite happy to have a 125 to ease me back into biking, and may have not understood today's market properly, not having bought a bike for a few years.
Ah well, pleased to meet you all albeit virtual, and will further read this excellent site ,and update on grandson 's Honda as he puts some miles on it.

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
Hi Ren,

Further to my post some time back, I have now acquired a second hand (2012) CBF125. It is day four, but so far very pleased with it.

I notice that in first gear the engine really wants to hold you back unless you up the revs very high, but the other gears give quite a lot of acceleration. Does that sound as it should be?

Also can you, or anyone else please tell me what the rev counter should show when idling? I mean once the engine is fully warmed up and running normally. Mine stays at around 1800 RPM which seems high, but perhaps is normal.

Thank you as always.

Regards

Jonny
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Jonny. I've never noticed my bike not pulling in first. Logic dictates that it should pull hardest in first, that sounds really peculiar. Clutch slipping?

And the tickover. My CBF doesn't have a rev counter, the early models didn't. I *think* 1800 revs sounds a tad high. Now unless you are very familiar with cables don't touch anything! You see the tickover SHOULD be controlled by the computer and the "Air Idle Control Valve". So if the tickover is wrong the cable may be too tight or something more serious is amiss. But you could get things desperately wrong if you don't know what you're doing. If not seek expert advice.

Maybe it might be worth investing in a genuine Honda service at a reputable Honda garage?
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
Thanks Ren. I don't think I explained myself well at all and made things sound worse than they are. The bike does pull in first gear, but the engine pulls me back unless I turn the throttle quite high. Not sure if that makes sense, but I will definitely take your advice about the Honda service.

As for the high revs, if any of your readers know what the correct idling rev count should be, please let me know. I can get that adjusted at the same time as the service if necessary.

Thanks again.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Jonny - according to my Haynes manual the idle speed should be -

1500RPM +- 100.

This manual only covers up to '12 models but I'm sure yours will be the same.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
Thank you very much for taking the trouble of checking that for me.
I will ask them to adjust at the service because it is high at 1800rpm.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
No worries Jonny. Ideally the computer should control the revs itself, a good shop should know that and be able to work out why it's not doing so. Are you enjoying your rides?
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
So far I'm absolutely loving it, apart from the London traffic which has been atrocious the last couple of weeks. I'm new to motorcycles and still getting used to the bike.

As a cyclist, the experience of having the power to overtake other vehicles and get to a reasonable speed is exhilarating. Feels a bit like flying!

As the miles clock up I am getting more confident and hopefully will find it easier.

Thanks again for your help.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
Hi Ren

Just had my first tank filled. According to Fuelly.com I managed just over 128MPG.
Very chuffed with that considering my commute involves a lot of stopping and starting, pretty much the entire way.

Interested to find out what the most fuel efficient speed is on this bike when travelling at constant speed.

Jonny

01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hey Jonny. 128 mpg is pretty good isn't it, especially around town. I have no scientific data about the most efficient speed but I guess about 35 to 40 mph would be ideal. If you could hold it there I reckon you could be looking at 150 to 160 mpg.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Chris said :-
Splendid insight. I currently have a Triumph Street Triple R, it's a great bike in it's own right but don't travel that far on it, nor do I go that quick either. Would I have as much fun on the above CBF? I'd probably say so. When I bought the Street Triple I thought I'd be missing out on something if I didn't have all the gizmos, radials etc etc but if you're just pottering on the roads it seems a little crazy.

There's much more to biking than outright pace, and in all honesty I think I had much more fun on two wheels when I rode a Gilera Runner 125 rain or shine, with a light wash every few months. Bikes like the CBF bring out the more adventurous nature of biking, and get you to wherever you want to go for a nominal sum.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Chris. I have 2 friends with Street Triples and when I first started to read your post I was wondering if someone was taking the mickey!

I too always wanted the power, the gadgets, the handling and the kudos of owning a big bike. I...in some way...still want that but not as much as I want my small cheap light and fun 125. There are times when bigger is better but bigger also takes away the fun and the challenge.

As for pottering its my favourite way to see the world by two wheels. You don't see much at 100mph other than tarmac and hedges.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Bradley said :-
Hi Ren, I've just been reading all of the comments and your blog, and it has been very helpful indeed. I currently ride a Piaggio Zip 50cc as I am only 16, but I am 17 in a months time. I (well, my parents) bought a CBF125 for me and I have yet to ride it, but I am incredibly excited after hearing everyone's opinions. I have no income aside from pocket money so the 100+ mpg will be brilliant :). Cream of the crop at college soon :)
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Chris said :-
Hi Ren, before getting my Triumph I did consider getting something smaller such as a Ninja 300 or CBR 500 as I knew that I'd never warrant the power of a 675, but with price tags of around £5K I felt a little short-changed considering how cheap they looked and felt (IMO). At the time, Bill Smith Ltd were selling the standard Street unregistered for £6.5k, and so ultimately the smaller ones didn't represent enough of a substantial saving.

The CBF125 however is cheap enough to forgive it for not having any fancy gizmos, nor would I have worry too much about it getting grubby in-between washes (as long as it has a good coating of ACF50 or the like). Subject to interview, I may be starting a new teaching post come September, which would mean a weekday 38-mile round trip. Therefore, given that the mpg figures it will go a little way to making it a viable second commute/rainy day ride/workhouse bike.




01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Bradley. So you're getting a CBF 125 huh? You're a lucky fella, wish someone would get me one. Give yourself time to get used to the gears and the extra speed, it'll feel quite nippy after riding the 50. Check the tyres too, if they're Continental's you're good to go but if they're the TKS they're blooming awful in the wet.

Chris, the CBf will be ideal for commuting. You may find you use it for much more besides too, depending on your "need for speed". ACF50 is a good idea, keeps the rust mites at bay, at least that's what they tell me.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Bradley said :-
Hi Ren, yeah, I'm incredibly happy and there's nothing more embarrassing than going down the dual carriageway at 30mph whilst the school bus passes you. Not gonna have that anymore :). And thank you for the help, I will check the tires and get back to you within a few weeks :)
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hey Bradley, if you read around the website you'll see I'm a supporter of gentle riding and sticking to the speed limits. Don't be getting all giddy on that there 125! I want you to be telling me tales of places you've been and great rides, not hospital beds or run-ins with the police.

You're young, I can't put my old head on your shoulders and I had my silly times too. From an old hack do me a favour and take it easy - but enjoy it!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Bradley said :-
Hi Ren, in about a month's time, my Dad (he has a Mt rushmore Harley RoadKing) and I are going on the coasts and castles tour (Edinburgh, Alnick and everywhere in between) so that's gonna be amazing! And yes, as much as I consider myself a speedfreak and an adrenaline junkie, I'll leave that for roller coasters and other extreme activities, not my bike :). Cheers.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Bradley, you're just making me jealous now. Scotland is God's own county for bikers and it is soooooo beautiful. Grrrrr!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Peet said :-
Hi, I live almost in the center of Sunny South Africa and truly admire the fact that you enjoy riding your bikes in mostly what we consider bad biking weather. 90% of our days are sunny and the roads around my little town consist of stretches of up to 250 miles of almost traffic free driving with temperatures ranging from -7 to 45 degrees Celsius and with wind speeds of up to 35 miles per hour.

I own and drive a 2011 Honda Flush WH 125-6 carburetor, basically a newer version of the original 1958 Honda Super Cub and what is known as a Honda Wave/Innova in your part of the world. I've just past the 11 000 mile mark and my average is 173 miles to the UK gallon. With a 0.66 gallon fuel tank I'm forced to keep to a snail's pace in order to make it to the next filling station and have seen 240 miles to the gallon on an economy drive that I undertook covering 120 miles before filling up with the tank only needing 0.4949 gallons of fuel to refill. My worst fuel consumption is 127 miles to the gallon with a headwind that at times forced me to drive full throttle just to keep to a 30 mile per hour speed.

I must admit I rather like the snail's pace for it allows me not only to enjoy the ride but the surroundings as well not to mention the advantages to be found in using only fumes of petrol. I'm still on my original tires, battery, spark plug, chain and sprockets and I reckon the credit must go to the slow pace I'm keeping, the rear tire would need replacement soon. I have covered 335 miles in one day on a round trip with 1 400 miles the most that I have traveled in one month. Before the Honda I had a cheap Chinese Honda look-a-like called a Vuka 110 XL that led me to the Honda Flush, same thing just the materials used were of very poor quality.

I do not travel as much as I would like to but when the opportunity presents itself I do make full use of it. I do not use my little scooter bike as a daily drive for that I use a Honda Airblade 110cc fuel injection which is more comfortable to drive faster but less frugal by not too big a margin.

Greetings from a fellow 125cc South African Snailer.


My little scooter bike at the Gariep dam, South Africa's biggest dam.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hey Peet! 240mpg...that is unbelievably great. If you look around the site you'll see I've briefly tested the Innova and there's lots of comments from folks with the same bike as you.

Being a geek - the Innova was sold here in the UK as a 125 and I think that's what yours is. I've not seen them for sale here for a couple of years. The Wave is a 110 and still in the current line up and is injected.

I must admit these bikes would certainly benefit from a larger tank. I know they're sold as commuters but...but if Honda stuck a simple 5, 7 or even 11 litre tank on them you could ride almost forever! I've met a few folks who's fitted "additional" tanks.

Cheers :)
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Oh and Peet - stop making us jealous about the weather and the beautiful countryside and the endless empty roads will ya. Life's hard enough here without you pointing it out to us all. Pffffft.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Peet said :-
Hi Ren

Here they only sold the 125cc carburetor version till they had finished the batch and then they did not replace it with the new PGM Fi version, they just stopped importing it altogether. I did consider the new 125cc PCX with its 8 liter tank as a replacement because of my 3 liter tank limit but with the extra money that I have to spent for the upgrade I can travel at least 75 000 miles with my little Flush. I only use the tank and never carry extra fuel. I try to go as far as possible before filling up and on the 11 000 miles I already filled it up 123 times giving an average of almost 90 miles between fill ups. I would say its biggest drawback is its tank size.

We have lots of problems here in sunny South Africa but at least the weather benefits us travelers on two wheels, with only 125cc to keep momentum going, most of the time.

Kind regards
Peet




01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
What price is fuel over there? To me here in the UK South Africa seems to be a place of contrasts. I see travellers showing me beautiful scenery yet I also hear tales of abject poverty and serious crime. I can only guess that there is still an awful lot of work to be done even after apartheid was abolished. Lets hope that the struggle towards a better life for all continues apace.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Peet said :-
Hi Ren

1 Liter of fuel locally cost 0.65 British Pounds or ZAR13.25 or a UK gallon would cost you 2.95 British Pounds working with the current exchange rate.

Yes it is for sure a place of contrasts, poverty and serious crime in some places even 21 years after apartheid has been abolished, but living here is not much different from living any other place in the world. People adapt and you will find people cursing the same place and circumstances that people just next door praise. If I switch on the news that thrives on bad news the world for sure seems dark but if I count my God given blessings and privileges the same world suddenly holds many opportunities. Some people on 125cc do with joy more than what many won't even think of doing with a car and the same can be said about money and circumstances. I believe from abroad the news rather shows the dark side of South Africa more than all the beauty that is to be enjoyed in sunny South Africa and this even influence the local people negatively. But there are many nice roads leading to many nice places and if you have the privilege of owning a 125cc the fuel will always be cheap. There is an adventure that fits everyone's budget for me it is my little Honda Flush WH 125-6.


01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Peet.

Fuel here's about £1.10 a litre at the moment. It's not cheap but as you rightly point out on a 125 that's not really the major issue. I understand what you mean about the news too - it's all doom and gloom and can often leave the watcher feeling like the whole world's gone to pot and there is nothing but doom and gloom on the horizon. While we don't enjoy your weather there is much good here too and more often than not the real people you meet are friendly and kind.

Have you travelled outside of your country? Again maybe you can dispel the myth that crossing boarders on the African continent is fraught with bureaucracy and bribery.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Peet said :-
Hi Ren

With my bike I have never crossed borders to other countries but by car I did but only neighboring countries with no trouble at all. But in Africa corrupt government officials seems to be the order of the day with South Africa no exception. A couple from Cape Town did the famous Cape to Cairo trip on two Chinese 200cc bikes and their story make for some very interesting reading and paint I reckon a more true picture of traveling through Africa, nearly 10 000 miles. http://www.crossingafrica.co.za/



01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Wish you'd never sent that link Peet! Spending ages reading through it all now....grrrr. Good stuff.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Bradley said :-
Hi Ren, I messaged you a few months ago and I've been riding my CBF for a month now. It is the most fun I've ever had! When my Dad and I went up to edinburgh we had a great weekend. I'd only been riding two days beforehand and riding through Edinburgh city centre during the fringe festival was certainly a learning (but scary) experience. If it wasn't for your handy tips i don't think I would have lasted! Both tires are the recommended ones, and I can pull 75mph out of the bike with me only weighing 8 stone. Everyone at college is jealous and its amazing!
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Bradley. It's good to hear you're enjoying the bike. I reckon you're brave taking on a big trip to Edinburgh too at any time of year let alone when the fringe is on. Cities scare me still and I've been riding for 25 years and countless miles. Too big, too noisy and too much traffic.

Now don't be getting too giddy with the speed. You absolutely cannot afford to be getting points and a fine because not only will you have to pay the fine but more insurance too. Meh, you're young, you ain't gonna listen to an old fart like me. I didn't when I was young - hehe!

If ya can't be good, be careful.
01/01/2000 00:00:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
Does anyone know if the CBF125 has a low fuel warning light?
I understand the fuel tank has a capacity of around 13 litres, but when the indicator says low, I can only fill around 8.5 litres at the station.
If there was a warning light, I would feel more confident in going a few extra miles before refilling.
Thanks.
17/02/2016 12:47:33 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
No Jonny, there's no low fuel light as you're expected to believe the fuel gauge. I'd suggest yours is somewhat out of calibration! When my gauge is down to the red I typically put in 10-11 litres meaning there's still some left in the tank.
17/02/2016 16:35:13 UTC
Ashleigh said :-
This thread is probably older than me, but what tank bag are you using, as I can't find one to fit my cbf anywhere?
25/04/2016 06:27:52 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Morning Ashleigh. The tank bag I am using is the "Cargo Basic Mini Tank Bag". I'll add a link for the item on Amazon and if you Google the name you may find other places to get one. It is not very large but it is good for my phone, wallet, e-cig and my camera.

I hope you're enjoying the CBF125 and if you look after it, it will look after you.
www.amazon.co.uk/ENDURANCE-CAR028-MOTORCYCLE-LUGGAGE-MOTORBIKE/dp/B00B4AJKTC?ie=...
25/04/2016 07:34:32 UTC
Ashleigh said :-
me again!

I found the same tank bag but bigger (which is good news!) but i'm now trying to find a rear rack that is an official honda one as all the ones ive found are either aftermarket or givi topbox specific.

any suggestions, or even what one that you use??

cheers
04/05/2016 12:31:56 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Ashleigh. The rack as fitted to the rear of my CBF 125 is the Givi SR157 rack. If you google this most of the options show it with the Givi mounting plate. However it is just the rack. I'll add a link.

They're not cheap but few racks are. I'd also recommend Renntec, they seem to make some good kit for around the same price.

Cheers!
www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CBF-125-2009-2014-Motorcycle-GIVI-Luggage-Rack-Carrier-...
04/05/2016 15:07:01 UTC
Henrik said :-
Why is "aftermarket" a problem ? On my Honda ANF125 in my expetience eftermarked is to be prefeted, simply becourse Hondas own "thai-quality" is nothing to write home about, for rear luggage I found a model in Grece, via Ebay, I gave around 15£, and besides saving a lot of money I got something likely better than Hondas own, as far as I can tell
05/05/2016 09:38:40 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I'm not sure if Honda themselves offered their own rack for the CBF so I suspect aftermarket will be the only option Henrik. The givi rack on mine costs around £55 and it must be well made, the amount of abuse and weight that mine has taken.
06/05/2016 05:22:54 UTC
ROY said :-
Howdy,
I was all excited about buying a brand new CBF125 from my local Honda dealer. I just called them and they reckon the CBF125 doesn't exist anymore... This surprised me as its still on the Honda website: http://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/125cc/cbf125-2013/offers.html

The salesman said they have the newer / replacement CB125F in stock. Does anyone have anything to say about the CB125F? I think I read somewhere that its basically the same bike, but manufactured somewhere else?

Is the CBF125 really obsolete? Is the CB125F actually a thing??

Thank you very much in advance.

Great review by the way.

Cheers.
14/07/2016 09:29:12 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Morning Roy. Yes, the CBF125 is no longer in production. I suspect Honda is still listing it on their website to allow dealers to sell the last of the stock.

The CB125F is the replacement and to all intents and purpose it is a new motorcycle but in many ways it is "much the same" as the CBF125. I have ridden it and I will add a link to my review. I've only test ridden it, I haven't had the many miles and experience I have had with the CBF.

Honda initially made the CBF in India then Thailand. The CB125F is made in China. Make of that what you will, as long as Honda is managing the quality control then there should be no concerns.


www.bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=812...
14/07/2016 09:44:40 UTC
ROY said :-
Thank you for getting back to me so quickly!

Still very excited to go to the Honda showroom later today. Although, I did just call a few insurance companies for a quote...

£670 is the cheapest so far... seems a bit high! I have 6 yrs no claims on my car, and only two accidents in the last 5 years, both of which were not my fault. That said, I've not actually passed my CBT yet. That's booked for the 23rd... Watch this space.

Can anyone recommend a decent, value for money insurance company? Or indeed any tricks to get insurance costs down. (joining a bike club for example)?

Thank you!
14/07/2016 12:56:15 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
How old are you Roy? I'm an old fart (44) these days which makes insurance a lot cheaper. Insurance companies are - ahem - barstewards. Normally you can only earn No Claims on one policy at a time. BUT if you have a claim on one policy you loose the no claims on all of them!

Shop around using the comparison sites. Whatever you do - do NOT lie! Don't tell them you're bikes in a garage when it's not, don't tell them you do 2,000 miles a year when you do 10,000. It's all very well and good until you have to make a claim even if the accident is not your fault. They'll go through everything with a fine tooth comb looking for an excuse not to pay.

Enjoy the CBT and remember it's not a test and you don't pass. Some people complete it in one day, some folks need more time to get the hang of things. Chill out, listen to the instructor and keep smiling even if you can't manage them U-Turns. You'll get the hang of it.
15/07/2016 11:44:46 UTC
Jonnt said :-
Hi Ren
My CBF125 is around 4 years old now, and I'm finding the seat a bit firm. (After long rides, I'm suffering with sorus bottomus). I am wondering whether it's possible to get a softer, more padded seat. Is that something you've seen before, and do you or anybody here have any recommendations??
Thank you very much!

06/09/2016 09:13:30 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Jonnt. I'm not aware of any aftermarket seats for the CBF125. The typical route is to purchase a gel or air filled seat pad, google "Airhawk" for an idea of how these things work. Another option is to have your seat altered to suit by a local upholsterer that does motorcycle seats. My seat has an additional 1 inch of foam which helps a little.

Don't go mad spending a fortune though. Seat padding thickness alone is not the only key to comfort. We're all different shapes and sizes and have different strengths and weaknesses. Adjust your handlebar position, change the way you sit, move around more and take more breaks! I get saddle sore quickly too, the ultimate solution is to stop more often, have a brew, look at the scenery and try not to cover too many miles.
07/09/2016 09:19:51 UTC
Jonny said :-
Thanks Ren. Adjusting the handlebar has made some difference. Will see how this goes for a while. Best regards.
09/09/2016 08:35:43 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
No worries Jonny. Start with the cheap and simple things first.
09/09/2016 14:44:29 UTC
Bob said :-
Dear Ed.
I was wondering how many thousand miles a typical CBF125 CB125f engine would do before it starts to see serious mechanical problems. I read a report of someone needing a rebore/new rings at 35,000miles. From their passionate report it seemed like they had cared for the bike. I tried to looked at rebuilding a CG125 in the 1980's and found that the cam bearers had no proper bearings and were scrap-writing off totally the head. It was not built to last. I first had a BSA175 d7 bantam and that needed rebores about every 10,000miles. I have seen over 150,000 miles on an untouched Honda Deuville.
At 12,000 miles per year (car average in uk) a CBF125 would only last 3 years....
Have you any comments?
10/09/2016 11:55:18 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Bob. Presently the CBF125 featured in this review has 55,600 miles on the clock.

Of course it all depends......

Will you lovingly care for the bike? Will you service it thoroughly and regularly? Will you ride it gently? Will you make long trips or short runs? And so on and so on.

My bike has required an alternator stator and a clutch basket. Other than that it receives an endless stream of tyres, chains, sprockets, oil and abuse. Overall I have been very very impressed with the Honda but I have reached the stage where I am prepared for the inevitable demise sooner or later. Presently it feels like it will last forever though!

With care I'd be disappointed if a quality 125 did not last 50k. 60-70k seems achievable. I hear stories of then doing 120k on one engine, I cannot substantiate this though.

I consider the fuel savings to be their biggest fiscal benefit. I regularly cover 300 miles on one tank costing about £10. I've just come back from a ride. I consider the sheer pleasure of riding this amazing little bike to be completely invaluable.


10/09/2016 16:19:39 UTC
GJ said :-
A CBF125 has become available for around £1400 and two year old. Lightly used around 1700 miles. Only has 600 Mile service done. The pics of the bike make it look fine. What are the service intervals

Anything to be particularly concerned about if the Oil, oil filter/strainer have been undertaken by the first of it's owners.
19/09/2016 19:47:33 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi GJ

The price sounds fine. Service intervals are 2,500 miles.

"Doing" the oil and oil filter/strainer should be an easy job. The most likely issue is that the crankcase cover gasket might leak afterwards if it's been done poorly. That will be obvious though, it'll be leaking from the clutch side.

It is *possible* to put the strainer in the wrong way around. It won't mess things up and kill the engine within a few miles but it might be worth getting it checked out. Unlikely...but a possibility.

Enjoy the bike if ya get it.
19/09/2016 20:38:25 UTC
GJ said :-
Thanks for your comment regarding motorcycle.

Looking to do a test ride with said bike of a reasonable distance to evaluate issues leaving agreed price with owner in case I bin bike. Not likely but better to be safe than sorry.

I currently own a Chinese cycle and have had too many issues.


I have read about some of the issues with the CBF125 but it can't be any worse than the bike I own. Looking to use it for a period and then take my test. I like the look of the Kawa z300, Kawa z250sl and the Honda CB500x.
20/09/2016 14:36:49 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Well my CBF has 56,000 on the clock and yes...it's not been perfect but it certainly has not been a lemon. There ain't a bike out there that will last forever.

There's reviews on here about the Z250SL as Sharon, my girlfriend, owns one. Also the 500X as I own one. I have ridden the 300.

Have a great time with the 125 and doing ya test!
20/09/2016 14:56:12 UTC
GJ said :-
In the end picked up a new CB 125 F. Owned it for around 4 Weeks and have ridden 900 miles so far without it skipping a beat. Will be used over winter so will need to keep on top of maintaining bike. If the weather is too ropey will either take mountain bike or get a lift to work.

2016 CB 125 F
29/10/2016 19:39:39 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi GJ. The CB125F looks the business! Enjoy your riding and remember to look after the bike and it'll look after you. Lubricate that chain, check that oil, get it serviced and get to know the bike.

Wash it - often. Washing isn't just about making it clean it's about looking at the bike and all it's parts. One day you'll notice the chain is looser than it used to be. Is that right? Ask, find out, and then get someone mechanically trust worthy to show you how to adjust it. That screw never used to be loose? Ask, find out, get help and see if it needs fixing. Those brake pads are getting thin. Ask, find out, get help and see if they need changing.

I'd love to hear how you get on with the CBF in the fullness of time. Also how you get on with the biking. Keep in touch.
31/10/2016 10:08:20 UTC
GJ said :-
Looking to do a basic motorcycle course in regards to the maintaining brakes etc. Although Youtube & Haynes etc will show you how to do it I would prefer to be instructed correctly in regards to undertaking some maintainance tasks. Some tasks I would deem to be safety critical therefore proper tuition is necessary.

Chain maintainance I can manage both in regards to cleaning and adjusting. Have noted the correct chain slack. Check it at around 250-300 Miles as I have marked out the allowable chain slack on a piece of paper. Meaning rotation of rear wheel and quick check of chain play in a few positions along chain. I can check the oil and replace. The bike has had it's first service. I check the tyre pressures every couple of days. Daily check indicators, brake lights etc.

Due to the ownership of my previous Chinese bike it has allowed to me to be competent in some of the more simpler maintainance tasks. In time looking to be able to undertake the more complex tasks.
04/11/2016 13:26:33 UTC
GJ said :-
Living in Scotland means that it's time for the winter road salting to begin. So looking to keep bike clean. Looking into ACF50, Scottoiler FS365 etc to keep the worst effects of the road salt at bay.
04/11/2016 13:42:15 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I am so so glad you've got a handle on the maintenance GJ. I've seen some 125s that are completely neglected and they are frankly dangerous.

I think some proper training is a great idea. Yes youtube will show you things but be very careful of the advice you take from the internet. I've seen everything from the wrong tappet settings to downright dangerous bodges. It's fine to bodge a rip in your seat with gaffer tape but safety critical stuff like brakes....yikes!

Keep up the good work.

I personally have not tried any of the anti-rust stuff but there's been some comment on here regarding ACF50 recently. Be interested to see what you get and how well it works for you.
04/11/2016 14:42:36 UTC
manish said :-
HI there ..i was doing my research on the the most fuel effecient bikes and CBF 125 caught my eye..i am planning to get my Bike licence and also will be doing 100 miles a day commuting , of which most of the travelling will be on motorway.
some ppl i spoke to said ill b a fool to drive a125cc bike on a motorway, as it is too light a bike to take on a motorwy.
i need your suggestion ..is it true..?? or shall i go for a bigger cc bike but i guess it wont give me that fuel efficiency i am lookig for ..
any suggestions or recomendations wil b appreciated.
19/11/2016 12:40:56 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi there Manish. The CBF125 is most efficient at town speeds and it does use more fuel at motorway pace. That said even with full camping luggage I'd expect my own CBF to still return over 100 mpg at about 55mph.

It is worth noting Sharon's Kawasaki Z250SL will return almost 100mpg at a similar pace. The 250 option will also give you a little extra performance should you need it at motorway speeds.

There's no doubt the CBF125 is efficient, there's no reason it can't cover 100 miles a day and they can be used on motorways here in the UK if you have a FULL licence. I would seriously consider the 250cc options as well.


20/11/2016 07:02:10 UTC
manish said :-
Thnx Ren for the reply..could you recomend me some 250cc bikes which are also fuel efficint, affordable and cheap MRP too.
20/11/2016 12:18:54 UTC
said :-
Manish, I'd look at Kawasaki's Z250SL and Suzuki's Inazuma 250.

The Kwak is more exciting and sporty, also lighter. Think nippy 125 with extra grunt and poke. The Suzuki is bigger and heavier but more practical.

There are several reviews of both bikes on this website, just use the search option.

Both bikes are good value and efficient. There are some cheaper Chinese motorcycles on the market too. I can't offer any experience with these but don't dismiss them, there are some interesting options.
20/11/2016 22:14:49 UTC
Jonny said :-
Hi Ren. I've now been riding on my CBF125 for 1.75 years on a CBT learning permit. My riding is mainly my daily London commute, for which the bike has been fantastic.

I'm considering going for my full licence, not because I want a more powerful bike, but because I might like occasionally to take a pillion passenger, and also go on motorways sometimes.

I called a local bike training centre who told me that a three day course, including the test fees, bike hire, insurance and everything else will cost in the region of £700. That's quite a sum of money for me, especially when I can just renew my CBT at around £60 instead, and just live without motorways, and passengers.

I wondered whether you, or any of your readers have any advice on this. Does anyone know if costs vary significantly between different centres and different parts of the country perhaps?
Is three days necessary?

Thank you as always.
Jonny
02/12/2016 09:30:45 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I feel your pain Jonny!

Price wise £700 is - to be honest - for London prices - about right I reckon. Up here in the grim North West you'd only be a few pounds better off on a full "A" class big bike training course.

There are options. You can if you wish take your tests on your own 125. That will only give you an "A1" licence. This means you can remove your "L" plates, take a pillion and go on motorways but you are limited to ONLY 125cc motorcycles.

You *could* do this all on your own. Do the theory, do the Mod1 and the Mod2 without any costly training, just the cost of the tests. I'd recommend you think hard though and get at least some training because the tests are already hard enough with someone to guide you through them.

You could get training using your own bike, saving on the costs of bike hire. Like I said though if you take the test on a 125 you're limited to 125 bikes. If you're happy with that (and who wouldn't be) then that is a great option. I love 125cc bikes, but I'm glad I have a full licence too.

Be aware that £700 might not guarantee a pass. If you fail any test it's common for training schools to charge extra to take the test again. Double check what happens and additional costs if you fail

Finally one word of advice. Just because you fail a test doesn't mean you're a useless idiot. Luck plays a HUGE part. Practice, learn, ask, learn, keep your eyes open, learn and if you can afford it get training.

Yeah, the CBF125 is a great bike isn't it!
02/12/2016 10:24:37 UTC
Sharon said :-
Hi Jonny,

My 3 day DAS course cost me last year £670 so yes £700 is a fairly typical price I am afraid.

Three days is pretty much the minimum required. Day 1 learning to ride the bigger bike. Day 2 Module 1 (with a bit of practise before hand depending on time of test) Day 3 Module 2.

Like Ren said this price is purely if you pass both Modules first time. If not extra fees will be incurred. Details of charges just for the tests is set out below for you .

Test type Weekday - Evenings weekends and bank holidays
Theory test £23 - £23
Module 1 motorcycle test (off-road) £15.50 - £15.50
Module 2 motorcycle test (on-road) £75 - £88.50
Extended test for disqualified riders (on-road) £150 - £177

Although it is expensive it really is in my opinion worth it to go for a full licence. The training is invaluable and it can be quite an eye opener to ride a bigger cc bike. However as again Ren has said there is the option for just doing it on your own 125cc and reducing the costs.

If you do decide to take a pillion whichever class of licence you pass on do not forget to update your insurance to allow for a pillion passenger as they are not usually covered as standard.

02/12/2016 21:53:08 UTC
Jonny said :-
Thank you very much for the informative responses.
I will take some time to consider what to do, although the cost is prohibitive at the moment at least.
05/12/2016 11:42:41 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Jonny.

I do understand that it is a lot of money! I'm upset because I've just spent £70 on a new stator for the CBF125 and that's 1/10th of the cost of training. Urgh.

You can help yourself in the mean time. Learn your highway code inside and out for the theory test. Make sure you keep on doing your life savers and mirror checks. Practice slow riding for u-turns, figure 8s and so on. Keep to the speed limits. Stay safe.

And there's no rush. Sharon rode for 3 years on her CBT with "L" plates. We went to Scotland and back before she passed her test. Enjoy the ride and enjoy the CBF125.
05/12/2016 14:23:35 UTC
Jonny said :-
Thank you Ren. Will do...
Most of my driving is in Central London, at slow speed, often in figure 8s :)
I'll try to get hold of one of those highway codes and have a look.
12/12/2016 13:37:50 UTC
Antgeezah said :-
I brought a sinnis stealth but had a lot of problems with it. It was ready for the members when someone kicked it from a parking bay. I've put a deposit down on a 2013 cbr125 and just waiting for my insurance to pay out. Thanks for this review. I ain't a boy racer I just want to get to work so this has made me a bit happier. Thanks
09/02/2017 10:49:23 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Antgeezah. I've seen a few of the Sinnis motorcycles about and they've always seemed OK to me. What sort of problems were you having?

The CBF125 has been a great bike for me. While my bike may be very dirty and worn it does get a lot of mechanical love, any 125 that does a lot of miles will need a lot of looking after. They are a good bike though.
09/02/2017 12:30:40 UTC
Jonny said :-
Hi Ren- My CBF125 (2012 with 21k Miles on the clock) is working well, however for the past few months it doesn't always start first time. I thought the battery was reaching the end of its life so replaced it. But still if I leave the bike over a weekend, in cold weather, it doesn't want to start first time. And if I leave it for a week or more, it won't start without a boost.

This is with a brand new battery, and I have removed anything superfluous to the original spec that might have been taking power (Like an alarm). Also, I have been monitoring the voltage across the new battery and that is always 12.3V - 12.9V. Even this morning it was reading 12.5V, and yet the bike didn't start on first try. (it did on the third try).

When the engine is running, there is a steady 14.5V which tells me that the altenator is working correctly.

Do you have any advice?
could it be that the starter motor needs replacing?

Thanks as always.
Jonny
22/01/2018 10:32:02 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I'd need a lot more details Jonny because diagnosing from afar is nigh-on impossible.

My first question - has the bike been serviced! If the tappets are tight this can affect startup when it's cold -
http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=488
Also if the air filter is dirty this won't help. Give it a thorough service, I mean a full complete proper service. Replace the spark plug. Cheap and necessary. I doubt it's that but start with the cheap stuff. Also consider the spark plug cap - I've had issues in the past with mine.
http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=747

At 14.5v and 12.3 to 12.09 volts at the battery it *sounds* like the charging system is OK. However motorcycles can be tricky so do not totally dismiss this.

If the starter is cranking the motor over swiftly I doubt it'll be that.

Start out with the full complete service then if that don't help work through the cheapest and most obvious things.

Hope that helps.






22/01/2018 10:52:20 UTC
Jonny said :-
Thank you Ren. I appreciate that diagnosing from afar is impossible. Always good to hear your thoughts though and I will try that and see how I get on.
23/01/2018 10:34:52 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Jonny - do let me know how you get on. My CBF125 is now up to 71,000 miles and I hope yours will reach that too :)
23/01/2018 11:42:53 UTC
Pocketpete said :-
Seems a great bike. Why change the design to much from model to model.
But with such goods reviews why did I get the 500x. I can only hope this proves as good.
24/01/2018 09:38:31 UTC
Jonny said :-
Does anybody know about using LED replacement bulbs on this bike?
And if so, where to find them?
Thanks.
02/03/2018 12:43:35 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I have looked into this Jonny. 2 things...

Firstly the CBF125 is quite unusual in that the lights are kinda...queue lots of contrary comments...inverted. They run at minus 12 volts half wave. It's complicated but suffice to say there's a fair chance the LED bulbs may not work.

Secondly even if they did beware the law. The bulb needs to emit light from a specific point for the reflector to produce a flat beam on dip. If the LED bulb doesn't emit the light from the same place then it's likely you'll end up blinding oncoming traffic and/or producing a very poor quality light to see with.

I'm sure it *can* be done but it is certainly not a case of simply popping in an off the shelf LED bulb.
02/03/2018 17:40:52 UTC
Jonny said :-
Hi Ren. You lost me at minus volts but I will replace with the standard bulbs. Thanks for your help !

04/03/2018 14:50:50 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Ha! It's good to explore the possibility of improving the lights Jonny but it's not easy. Stick with what Mr Honda started out with.
05/03/2018 07:28:00 UTC
Jonny said :-
Hi Ren. Just to update anyone who's interested. Going back to the problem where my bike just wasn't starting, even with a new, and full battery. The problem gradually got worse until the engine wouldn't even turn over at all when I pressed the ignition button.
I have since replaced the starter motor. It cost me £20 on Ebay, and was very easy to fit.
That seems to have done the trick because the bike starts first time, every time I have tried since.
One thing that concerns me is a slight grating sound when I press the ignition button. It isn't loud and the bike is starting - so I am hoping that it's not normal for a new starter wearing in, and not causing any damage at the same time.


21/03/2018 10:29:41 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
That's good news Jonny. I'd recommend having a poke around to see what that noise is though. My thinking is that it could be the gears that transfer the power from the motor to the clutch basket. Maybe something is mis-aligned a bit?

It's one of those - if it ain't broke don't fix it but then if it ain't right maybe it needs fixing before it gets broke.

21/03/2018 12:41:04 UTC
Fumbletrumpet said :-
Hello Ren and Posters

Enjoyed your review (and a few of your other posts - bit of a traveler myself - although couldn't cope with the camping route I'm afraid - wuss alert indeed !).

My 'story' is that I started out on a few learner bikes way, way back in the 80's (the limit just reduced from 250 to 125 as I turned 17 - bah !!) - An old Kawasaki KE100 was fun but had appalling electrics and I switched to a ratty, even older Honda CB100N after getting fed up of being stopped by Cops due to my dim lights at night. The CB100N was an excellent little bike really - although my poor maintenance and riding on the stop brought about its untimely demise. Did a lot of miles on it, nipped it up on a Sunday afternoon in middle of Wales, free'd it off with some oil down the plughole from a luckily open petrol station and with gentle, repeated turning over it rode home at 30mph with no top ring and a chunk missing from the top of the piston ! (I rebuilt it and sold it on okay though). I passed what was Part 1 back then but failed Part 2, bought a car and never (properly) rode a bike again.

Whizz forward 30 something years and having just scrapped a car ("cost more than it's worth to fix mate - best scrapping it") I came around to 'thinking bike' once again. On a short list that's probably more about what's available nearby than what I'd like I'm looking at the CB 125F having just done CBT.

My concern is that on the CBT 'run' (which was great - forgotten how much fun and how 'aware' a familliar-ish route becomes on a bike) I found the training Co's Yamaha (YBR ? YS ? - 2017 reg anyway) wouldn't propel a fat old toad like me at more than 50mph !! - We rode out of town and the instructor said "you can increase speed up to the national limit now" - we were on a George Cabbageway so 70 was the potential to aim for I thought. Okay, it was a bit windy and no, I'd not expect to have held that sort of speed, but, since the 125 will become my main transport until I get around to doing the full training and test (maybe keep a 125 for a while or get a slightly larger bike beyond) I do feel quite vulnerable wobbling along at 50 when most other traffic is doing a fair bit more. I'm hoping me on a CBF might be a little quicker maybe ?

You could say one of two things - "lose weight" or "get a sportier 125" I guess - I'm a bit too old for a cramped up sporty Aprilia or race rep kinda machine I think. So, am I expecting too much ? My old CB100N would hold 60 all day (And I regularly did journeys of 150+ miles on it, with some luggage - although I probably weighed a bit less back then !) So the question is, what was the CBF like in speed terms when two up ? I've no idea how much I weigh - maybe 15 stone. Maybe the YBR/YS was a bit limited in some way - don't know that either. But I'd be happy with something that at near flat out can maintain 60 to 65 for a longer run - just for safety's sake as much as anything. D'you think the CBF's for me ? Should I push the funds out a bit further and go for the Yammy MT125 or a KTM Duke in order to get a bit more poke to lug my excess baggage about ? Not been to a dealer as yet but don't imagine they let you test ride (at all ?) certainly not on a long enough lead to stretch the bike's legs anyway. And magazine/internet reports of all sorts of top speeds for various bikes seem a bit.....well.... variable I guess.

Interested in your (and anyone else's) ten cents anyway.

Stay safe people..
05/04/2018 19:02:55 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Fumbletrumpet. Lose weight AND get a sporty bike!

Sorry, I'm being mean. For the most part the not-so-sporty 125s are all roughly 11 to 12 bhp. I'd say the difference between the CBF125 and the YBR (or YS) would be nominal at best. Unless you're prepared to pay for something "faster" like the MT125 you might need to adjust your thinking.

I weigh around 12.5 stones. My CBF125 will achieve 65 on a good day downhill with the wind behind me. Uphill into a headwind? Don't ask. These are not fast bikes. I can ride at 60mph on a flat motorway with no wind so it *can* do it. I tend to stick around the 55mph mark simply to protect the motor.

The way I see it you've got 3 options.

1. Get a regular 125 and alter your riding and your attitude to suit. I've covered over 100,000 miles on regular 125cc motorcycles and I still enjoy riding them. I have learned to accept the limitations and alter my expectations.

2. Spend the money and get a sportier 125. Thing is yes it will be a little faster but don't be thinking you'll be cruising at 75 down the motorways and leaving sports cars behind. On your CBT you are limited to motorcycle with a maximum power of 11kw or 14.7bhp. Anything more powerful than this (that includes something you've "tuned" ) would be illegal.

3. Pass your test and get something bigger.

I firmly believe you DO NOT need a big bike to go places and enjoy riding. Of course we are all quite unique so I wish you all the best in finding that which works best for you. Do let us know!
06/04/2018 09:28:17 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
Why not go down the Direct Access route?
06/04/2018 13:34:31 UTC
Fumbletrumpet said :-
Thankyou Ren and Ian for replies.

I like analogies/similies/metaphors/whatever - Apparently I compare one sort of thing with other unrelated stuff and (often) confuse people (frequently I'm told), but here's a bit how I see it (because my head works that way):

I'll go computers since I understand that's where you're at professionally, Ren; I once had an old 286 with 1 Meg of RAM. It ran WordPerfect 5.1, Lotus 123 v.2 (I think), dBase III+ and EasyCAD (or called something like that) perfectly. Between 1992 and 1995-ish it did all I needed.

But in 1996/97, now with a laptop running Windows 3.1 (with 8 Meg of RAM I think), I bought a modem and 'connected' to the 'information superhighway' (as it was called back then). Albeit on dial-up. And now, on my 8th consecutive laptop, with 1000x the RAM capability and broadband (supposedly - it's a bit slow out here in the countryside !) I'm in a completely different computer world compared with what I had back in the early 90's.

But, I'm still (only) requiring capabilities that could (mostly - perhaps 70% of the time, with some adaptation perhaps) easily be met by the old DOS software I initially mentioned. The context of the internet, to some extent, changed things. (Actually, in this particular realm, it changed EVERYTHING !) Who'd want to go back ?

With the bike scenario it's a bit like this: A moped would get me around fine. (If I were fitter a pushbike would too). If I need to go on a longer journey I could just get up much earlier ! If I lived in a large city (I live in a fairly rural Midlands village) the moped really would be all I needed in (mostly) 30mph zones anyway. But, one day, I need to go a way outa the conurbation. I'm probably going to train it in that scenario, or hire a car perhaps. Because the context has changed. The distance is farther and I know there's a quicker way (Okay, I hate timetables so the 'fixed' nature of the train or bus would annoy me, but bear with me, it's the vehicles relative speed that is the point here).

The thing is, my work (such as it is !) is a bit unpredictable. I have a customer who is 16 miles away and a site I need to visit fairly regularly which is 20 miles away. These journeys are however quite different - one involves going through two towns (both very congested in 'rush hours' when I'm going 'to work' too) with a fairly fast stretch of dual carriageway between. The other is a journey through fairly rolling countryside, on two lane roads which, time of day and tractors depending, can be fairly nippy. And it's quite hilly in places. Actually, having just done some Googly measurements (which surprised me a little) most of my typical journeys are in the 15 to 30 miles range. All moped-able, all CB125F/YS125-able for sure. But ones where 60 to 70 mph is possible in places and, personally, I'm always a bit late setting off (add in jacket, overtrousers, helmet, gloves, getting bike out of crowded shed and warming it up a little before setting off and the comparable scales are tipping against me once again).

The context-changing issue is that I'm used to doing these journeys in a car. (open door, chuck stuff on back seat, turn key and go). I'll crawl at sub-walking speed listening to radio nonsense through town and (in my head) make up a bit of time by driving at 70 (if I can) on the cabbageway. On a bike I'm going to be a little colder, more vulnerable, using less fuel of course, able to filter through the congestion I hope (when confident at doing so - scares me a bit just now). But, when faced with those open stretches I'm still going to feel that I could be going just a little faster ! Because, like the internet (especially fibre v. dial-up) going back to less always feels wrong somehow !

It's a poor argument I know (it sounded better in my head than in words here). I actually bit the (financial) bullet and bought a KTM Duke 125. Apart from the fact that I think it looks amazing, I also think that, since this is going to be my main transport for a while forwards, it will do the day to day journeys just fine and I won't be crouching down with my elbow at my right knee 'wishing' a couple more mph out of it when trying to nip past a tractor on a country road or something. So, that's my 'case' over with !

Ian's point is well made. I want to pass the 'full' test but don't see how (for me anyway) I'd get confident and reassuring enough (for an examiner) on a 650cc bike after just a few day's training. I can and have ridden bikes but I'd feel better prepared (having just done CBT) with a few months of riding a 125 as background I think (the older you get, the more time it takes to learn, apparently).

Ren's points are well made too. Way back, when contemplating a mid-life (crisis some have said !) return to a bike I'd thought something of around 250 - 400cc would suit me fine (eventually) - enough to safely nip past slow traffic at times, would 'keep up' on the motorway and not frustrate when wringing the living soul outa of it in between. I've no interest (and yes, been there on back of friend's bikes a few times - resisting the wind pressure is hard work and was actually more scary than exhilarating for me) in travelling at very fast speeds. I (really) need to keep my licence. I don't drive very fast in a car actually. One can (and has - Saab 9000 to Fiat Doblo) adapted.

Once riding for a while I might change my view entirely. Maybe it's not about broadband v dial-up, maybe it's to do with more concise code, or more brevity in emails. Or, perhaps, with more confidence, I will be convinced by super, super fast fibre. I'm already aware that the 'bike' state of mind is quite different - it's so easy to 'drift off' when driving a car (concerningly in boring town traffic of course) and not concentrate, while the biker's direct involvement with surroundings make for far more interesting journeys anyway.

I'll see how it goes and report back.
Thanks for your comments as of now.
09/04/2018 10:08:41 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
Interesting points.

Modern "bigger" bikes are less formidable than they used to be and there are some fairly soft options around (although I have to confess to not being familiar with them myself having passed my own test when it was merely a quick couple of runs round the block).

If I was in your position I'd probably run around on L plates for a few months to get familiar with the differences between riding a bike and driving a car, then investigate the DAS route. Doing this doesn't mean you have to jump on a rip-snorting race replica of course but it does keep all your options open. It's also probably the cheapest option in the long run.

Don't discount your car driving experience either. You will have developed a fair amount of road sense from this and much of it is transferable. What you don't have are the bike handling skills and the different levels of observation and prediction that are necessary to stay safe on two wheels.
09/04/2018 10:52:10 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Yeah I reckon you're both about right - get on and get a few miles under your belt on the KTM. You can decide how you feel and what you want to do in the fullness of time.

Do let us know how you go on with the Duke. I've ridden the 390 and that was a sweet bit of kit.
09/04/2018 16:51:02 UTC
Sharon said :-
Hi Fumbletrumpet,
Like yourself I began riding in later life. Also like you I preferred to gain experience on a 125cc before progressing to bigger bikes.
In fact I spent 2 years on my 125cc. 2 years I would not change for the world as I had so much fun and gained invaluable experience and confidence.
I always advocate that as good as it is to seek advise in the end we all have to find our own way to do things. You I am sure will find out what works best for you.
The downside of age can be that our ability to learn new things quickly is decreased. However the advantage of age is we are usually not so self-conscious. We are happy to measure ourselves by our own yardsticks and not those of others.
Learning to ride is an amazing experience. Yes it has its ups and downs but on the whole, wow what a ride it is. I wish you many safe and happy smile miles. Enjoy your new bike
09/04/2018 23:46:17 UTC
Fumbletrumpet said :-
Thank you Ian, Ren and Sharon for your feedback

It's very much appreciated - since you've been there, done it and ridden out the other side. (Yes, Ian, I did a 'round the block' Part 2 way back - failed it - but I love all the urban myth stuff about the examiner stepping out in front of the wrong biker for the emergency stop !!)

I'm also aware that I've slightly hi-jacked a topic about the (venerable ?) Honda CB(F)125(F), turning it into 'chunky old git wants fastest possible legal bike on CBT only without compromising his arthritic posture', leading onto 'strategy for actually (one day) getting a bike more suitable to my bulk' :) !!

So, as a PS that might gently (counter) steer back towards the Honda I'd comment that in many ways the CB 125 may actually tick more boxes than I'd initially imagined when it came to arranging insurance. I was staggered at some of the prices quoted to me as a faffed around phoning and web-form-filling-in to brokers trying to insure me to ride the Duke.

I've subsequently learned that any newbie (and having stepped off a KE100 then CB100N three year stint back in 1986 I hardly considered myself a newb ! - but in truth I am !) is considered a BIG risk in their first year of biking. Things will settle down once a year plus of NCD kicks in I'm told. Actually passing the Mod 1 & 2 will help as well I'm told. But one broker did comment that the premium would've been cheaper if I'd been riding a "different sort of bike". By which I interpret he meant "the Duke's a bit quicker/sportier, attracts a certain sort of rider (maybe) and therefore riskier (as an insurance statistic)". Maybe he meant scooter ? But just maybe he meant 'commuter' ??

My starting out thought was (before quote seeking) that with some 15 years of car NCD to my credit I'd get a bit of a leg-up, so to speak (it's quite a tall seat on that Dukey). But not with most insurers it seems. Finally found (if anyone's in the same situation) that the RAC have a drop-down which asks about your car claim history and this seems to then have been reflected in their offered premium (which was at least affordable for me - not approaching a grand as with many others !!). But the person at the LV call centre (I'd insured a car with them up until end of January) I spoke with did suggest (at least infered) that it was the Duke (rather than my lack of experience alone) which was pushing the premium up. So, if I'd have chosen the more sensible Honda, perhaps, I might not have been so shocked by the insurance quotes. Maybe.

I'll sign off (for a while - waiting to pick up the bike now, but then have a few days away immediately after so won't be riding for a week or so) by giving a (possible) point to the Honda for its dependable sensibility (which in an age of risk aversion and general un-sureness is a very valuable 'thing')

Happy, safe, (dry ?) riding to you all.....
12/04/2018 11:30:42 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
We...no...I don't worry too much about hijacking posts here at Bikes And Travels. I am of the opinion that conversations turn off down random paths in real life so I expect them to do so here in the comments section.

Sharon on the other hand believes people come to read about the subject of the original post and wouldn't be interested in the random diversions the comments section often takes. It has been a point of contention in the past.

Buuuuuuuut! You'll all kindly note I'm always asking for contributions. Why? While this is presently Sharon and I's blog we don't want it to be just about us. In fact we'd love nothing more than for it to expand and involve many writers with varied interests and points of view. So if you have a something to say regarding motorcycling and it fits in with BAT's ethos (I'll have to put together what our ethos might be!) then send it to me :-)
12/04/2018 12:21:29 UTC
Tim said :-
Hi Ren, I bought a Gsx750f back last year as a bit of a mid life crisis!(44 yrs old) I only started riding it this spring after around 20 years since my last bike. All my lifelong friends have had similar time away from riding bikes but have seen mine and Have bought bikes too, one friend in particular has just bought a cbf 125 and it's being delivered tonight, he is so excited to be back on 2 wheels and having read your excellent review I'm sure he will enjoy the bike and our days out in South wales!! He was worried that only being a 125cc he might get left behind but I have told him that at our age it's more about enjoying the ride than goin flat out. He is re- sitting his CBT on Monday so I think a quick spin around the gower peninsula is in order! I will let you know our thoughts on the little cbf after the ride with maybe a pic or two! Safe riding everyone!!
05/06/2018 15:29:46 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Your friend on the CBF125 will have to accept he's not really going to be out-performing you on your 750! But he will use around 1/3rd of the fuel, it will be a lot cheaper to run and he'll be giggling inside his helmet just as much.

On the narrow lanes of the Gower he'll find it ideal. It's a lovely area, Sharon and I enjoyed ourselves greatly when we were there last year.
06/06/2018 08:29:06 UTC
Tim said :-
We are lucky enough to live right on the gateway to the gower so we have great beaches within a 10 min ride from us and we have the black mountains and Brecon beacons to play on too, my friend is impressed with the Cbf125, he said it's light and well balanced, he has only ridden it on a private estate so far because his CBT is in the morning but he likes it so far. See how it goes on our run tomorrow and I might be tempted into buying one as a commuter bike for work.
10/06/2018 19:13:12 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
They are a good commuter bike. But I hope your friend takes it further afield as it is perfectly capable. Mine has been around Southern Ireland, Scotland, The Netherlands and a large chunk of England and Wales.

Sharon and I had a look around South Wales last year. We were both very impressed with the area so I think you and your friends are very lucky to have those playgrounds in your back garden. Gotta be better than Manchester and Liverpool.
11/06/2018 06:56:25 UTC
Tim said :-
Well our ride went well!! We did 50 miles around the Gower and the little Cbf125 performed really well, my friend Alan is not a small guy shall we say but the bike dragged him up all of the hills with little effort and held a steady 50-55 mph no problem which is fine for the area we were riding.His bike used hardly any fuel and like you said the grin on his face said it all!! Think there will be lots more days like that to come!

Me and Alan at Port Eynon, Gower.
11/06/2018 15:06:56 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
That's a great picture Tim. Which beach is that at? It looks kind of familiar...I'm guessing here at Port Eynon?
11/06/2018 16:18:54 UTC
Tim said :-
Spot on mate! We stopped there for a coffee before the ride home via the mumbles!
11/06/2018 17:36:38 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Wow! I thought it looked familiar - check the link
bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=1119...
11/06/2018 18:00:22 UTC
Tim said :-
I just read your story in the link and all the beaches you visited are the places I used to ride to on my pushbike as a child. We used to camp in the valley at three cliffs bay and light a camp fire in the castle up on the cliff top. Makes me realize how much I take my surroundings for granted, what I see as everyday normality is a world away from someone brought up in the Midlands miles away from any coastline. I really am lucky!!!!
12/06/2018 09:05:11 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Yes you are lucky Tim - and perhaps unlucky too. You'll have missed out on things like having to entertain yourself with a lump of coal for weeks until the cold weather came and then you had to burn it to keep warm. What about the delights of trying to play football on a busy main road? And when you were at school in the countryside was there a supply of hard drugs to be found?

I dunno mate...hehe.
12/06/2018 10:56:26 UTC
joe crennan said :-
mpg as mine albeit only 121mpg on the 240 mile trip home, the day I bought it. 8000+ rpm all the way with a foray into the red line to achieve 77mph. Tach is optimistic though ((by 600rpm above 5000rpm). I reckon speedo is and think perhaps 68 mph. I did get 157 mpg later (measured with 2.5 litres empty to empty)
I also have a Hayabusa but much prefer this
20/09/2018 20:42:41 UTC
said :-
Hi, just found this blog ,great reviews and got me interested in another bike after retiring from bikes 4 years ago at 50.Had 1 large bike ,quite a few middleweights ,last one being an xt600.My favourite was a yamaha xt225 , hence the interest in a small bike.Seems i can get new but pre-reg kawasaki z250sl for about £3000 and the Honda cbf125 for £2500.What to do?
Thanks , ian.
03/12/2018 23:00:13 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Ian, quite different bikes really, 125's and 250's are worlds apart in my experience. The good news is you are spoiled for choice at the moment with masses of smaller bikes being released. I would evaluate what you are going to use it for, if you've liked trail bikes why not stay with that? Let us know what you're thinking. I'm guessing if you had the 600 you're not a midget. It seems like you're in the UK, if so don't rush into buying, dealers will be full of pre-registered through the winter and I think it will be a slow spring with you know, B.....
Try a few on for size and haggle hard. Good luck.
Upt'North.

04/12/2018 08:44:19 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
It really depends on what you want to do Ian!

Sharon's Z250SL is a cracker of a bike, no doubt about it. And it is excellent value at the moment as the shops are selling off the last of this model. My only complaint is as it wasn't a big seller there's not much aftermarket kit out there. It is a crying shame and a reflection on our bigger is better mentality.

My CBF125 now has 78,000 miles on the clock and is still a delight to ride. Obviously it lacks the zip of the Z250SL but it is simpler, more polite and fun. Just a note - the latest base model Honda 125 is the CB125F not to be confused with the CBF125. That said there is very little between them.

If you still want a little bit of poke and easy motorway use, get the 250. If you're happy to ride with the traffic and go with the flow then get the 125.
04/12/2018 08:51:33 UTC
Ian said :-
Thanks for the replies.All the small trail bikes seem to be quite a bit more expensive,£3,500 or more.The cb125 is probably more sensible , just a bit worried it won't even keep up with the traffic, does it die on the hills or o.k with using gears?Your mileage is amazing and inspiring.Years ago i was at the tt and there was a guy on a c90 who'd ridden from Spain , i thought he was as much or more of a biker than all the guys on sports bikes.It had homemade plywood panniers and topbox covered in stickers of all the places he'd been to.
Just can't get over the value for the z250 i think.Hopefully i will never go on a motorway.I live in the overcrowded south ,I have a 12 mile each way commute to work 3 days a week, use my ford ka at the moment.The traffic is awful near home (beastly Eastleigh) , not sure if the bike would be much quicker due to road layout ,islands etc.I would also like to do all the smaller b roads and just enjoy the scenery.
I am 5 9 but slim ,less than 11 stone ,hopefully the small bikes wouldn't be too cramped , the serow was low seat height and light which i liked.
You are right about winter and the b-word , couldn't sell my house and move to the Isle of Wight.I've saved money by not movind and so am going to treat myself.Just seen this on ebay nnear where i live ,another one you reviewed.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Honda-CBF-250-Recent-MOT/401647792541?hash=item5d8412f19d:g:1hcAAOSwGK9bfs8I:rk:2:pf:

Cheers guys.
04/12/2018 17:20:23 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
It's a damn fine bike the CBF250. Make sure it ticks over well! I had a hell of a time with mine. The tappets had not been serviced, closed up and damaged the valve seats. Save for a minute or two at start up if it doesn't run properly and tick over well either walk away or be ready to do the work.

I...I figure this applies to all and any bike though! When I got it going it was a great bike to ride.
05/12/2018 09:46:22 UTC
Ross said :-
Hi Ian, welcome back to motorcycling! :) For not much more than that CBF you can pick up a Suzuki Inazuma 250 with a fraction of the mileage and much younger too! There's quite a bit of info' on the Inazuma on this site.

Enjoy the hunt for your new bike!
05/12/2018 15:57:10 UTC
Ian said :-
Thanks for the welcome and advice.Seeing it on Saturday , will check tickover as advised.Not sure i really want a 13 year old bike , i was put off by a not great review and 65mpg , but after a bit more research the suzuki looks better than that and some low mileage ones around.Starting to realise what i want.
05/12/2018 18:08:59 UTC
Ian said :-
Am leaning towards cb125f , local dealer over £2,800 , not paying that , just found it at£2299 with a small local dealer who i've dealt with before , good guy and would be handy to buy local with someone i trust.Will pop in tomorrow after work.I am a bit contrary and really fancy the idea of such a small cheap bike and using it for more than commuting.Which tours did you guys take the 125 on? Bikes i've owned are Honda cg125 , Laverda Jota ,Kawasaki gpz305 ,gpz550 ,gpz500 , Honda xl250 , yamaha serow225 ,Yamaha xt600 , Herald classic 125.
Damn this website ,some good reading on here.
05/12/2018 20:30:18 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
125 tours...gosh let me see...

Anglesey for a night with a friend http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=1186
A night's camping in Malvern http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=1162
A tour around The Netherlands http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=889
Ledbury for 2 nights http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=859
Ullapool http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=797
Southern Ireland http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=777

There's a whole lot more if you want me to go on. The 125 will be ideal for commuting - it is what they're made for. But that should never prevent you from going further afield on the 125. You do have to rethink your approach to the tour though. On a 125 it takes longer to get places so we break each day into shorter runs.
06/12/2018 08:58:43 UTC
said :-
Thanks for your reply Ren.I had only found the Ireland one.I actually would like to break it into shorter runs and stop , not just ride all day to get somewhere.Smell the roses , but you are right that it needs a different mindset.
Went and looked at the cb125 , they are Indian imports , drum brake and carb , a cbf125 as opposed to the cb125f.£2299 otr ,best i can find for the cb125f is £2700. I've just seen that you have tried both so will read up.Good news in it wasn't too small i.e knees under armpits and a light bike like that is one i would be more likely to just use.Still like the z250 but think i wouldn't want to get it wet even though it's still a commuter.
06/12/2018 16:47:42 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Aaaaah right! I am aware that the CBF125 is sold in India with carburettor. I seem to recall it's called the "Stunner" but then that could be South America...I'm getting old. When you say drum brake I presume you mean the front? The UK spec has disc front and drum rear.

Would you consider second hand? Might be a way to see how you feel regarding a 125 without losing too much straight off the forecourt. That said good, clean, low mileage CBF125s aren't THAT much cheaper than new. The 125 market is rather odd at present with the Kawasaki Z125 (which shares an awful lot with the Z250SL) is 4.3 grand!


06/12/2018 17:12:19 UTC
Ian said :-
Sorry , i got mixed up and thought the new one had rear discs.The Indian one had a years AA warranty and is probably fine , but just found 1 up north for £2,200 plus delivery or 1 about 40 miles away for £2,400 , plus £24 quid on the train.These are proper Honda imports with 2 year Honda warranty.If there was a good 2nd hand one nearby i may be tempted , but would rather spend a little more to know for sure it hasn't been abused by a learner.Actually , a lot of the Chinese , Chinese 125's are the same price so i don't think £2,400 is too bad for a Chinese ,Japanese.I will phone the dealer tomorrow.
Black,red or yellow?I'm already vaguely planning some short trips.
Enjoyed your write-ups , made me laugh.

06/12/2018 21:18:58 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cheers Ian. Let us know how you get on :-)
07/12/2018 09:31:23 UTC
Ian said :-
Thaks Ren. Just ordered 1 in dark blue (looks black to me) from Farnham Honda for £2399 otr. Easy , pleasant transaction.Get the train up , salesman offered to come and get me from station but i will probably walk , pick up bike , ride home about 45 miles.I hope it's not still pissing down in a weeks time.
07/12/2018 13:34:55 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Cor!! Much excited. Is that a CBF125 or a CB125F??
07/12/2018 15:25:21 UTC
Ian said :-
Cheers Mate. It'an official uk cb125f i.e the current bike. fuel injection , linked brakes.Pick it up next Friday.
Weird considering the time of year , butI am strangely excited ,more so than all my other bikes which were just transport, i just think i will embrace the small bike thing and enjoy exploring off the bigger roads as much as possible.
Thanks for the inspiration.




Blue? cb125f
07/12/2018 16:10:10 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
With a drum rear brake I'm very curious to know how the linked braking system works. Be sure to let me know once you get the bike Ian.

Take your time. I know you're an experienced rider but it's been a while so ease yourself in gently. The biggest thing will be adjusting your attitude. You're no longer the fastest thing out there on a smaller bike so not only do you have to reign in the speeds but also the ego. That's the bit I still struggle with even after what 8 or 9 years on 125s. It doesn't help that I own a larger bike too.

When you're riding down a quiet countryside back lane at a gentle pace, absorbing the fresh air, admiring the hills and valleys, quietly passing by farms and sheep then you'll think to yourself "There is no better bike at all for this".
08/12/2018 11:59:41 UTC
Ian said :-
It's not ABS , but linked or combined braking as Honda call it.I don't know how it's done with 2 different brake types so i am curious too , i will let you know.

Thanks for the advice , i will try and stay on smaller roads.I want to go slower but will need to adjust my attitude.The main problem i can foresee is a frustrated white van/bmw/audi up my arse on these country roads ,it's bad enough in my Ka. Hopefully i will just pull over and let these busy , important people past , at least i won't be able to chase after them and give them a good talking to. Joking aside , i only work part-time so can hopefully get out at some quieter times.

Even though you are used to the small bikes ,i can see what you mean about owning bigger bikes , each vehicle needs a slightly different attitude.

When i went to the local Honda dearer , i really liked the cb500 x or f , all the bike i would ever want or need and the crf250 , apart from the seat.I was also intrigued by the sh125 ,never owned a scooter but would love to try one.Lastly , best of all the cb125f.I see you own or have tested all these on here so a similar mindset.
08/12/2018 14:27:04 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I have to admit I'm "Honda". I'm also interested in frugal motorcycles because I'm tight. I enjoy powerful fast motorcycles but I feel no desire to own one nor do I know of anywhere I could fully realise it's potential even if I had the skills.

I always desire more readers for this website and the route to that would be faster bikes, wheelie tutorials and suggestive looks from beautiful models. Thing is I'm not a fast rider and the only times I've done a wheelie I've pooped myself. We do have Sharon who'll give me a dirty look - not that kind of dirty - more a look of disgust at my gross habits.
10/12/2018 09:26:59 UTC
Womble said :-
Hi Ren
For the last few months I been reading your blog and wondering if I could live with a 125cc bike. As you know the Speed limit here in France was lowered in July 2018 to 80kph (50mph) and this made riding around on an 1100cc bike seem well a bit daft really. I rarely use Autoroutes preferring to take the road more twisty so it seemed a good time to downsize. But a 125 seemed a bit of a drop so I had a look for a 250cc which seem quite rare over here. In the end the fuel economy side of things came into play a litre of fuel here is around the 1.55 euro a litre mark. Looking at your comments on fuel made me rethink the 125cc bike so I thought try one and give it a year to see how I get on with it. But which one, so after some ummmm's and rrrrrr's a couple of weeks ago I saw a 2012 Honda CBF 125 for sale with a very low mileage (3500km) and the top box already fitted, and not to far away.
So a deal was done and after trailering it back and a good check over it's out for a spin! The lack of torque was the first thing I seemed to notice, but compared to a 1100cc V-twin you would wouldn't you! Anyway onward and upward it went along quite well and the 20km ride I had planned would give me the chance to see what it was like on a good mix of roads. Ok so the ride didn't go to plan I enjoyed myself so much we covered 80km and the bike felt great on roads I thought it would struggle on. Yes headwinds and big hills make a BIG difference but it adds to it rather than lesson the experience. A couple of days later and I'm out on it again and finding myself on the narrowest of back lanes tootling along at 50kph just taking it all in. The 3rd and final ride of the week sees me covering 300km for the first week and loving most of them, the icing on the cake being the fuel gauge hardly moving in 200km since I filled up.
So yes pleased with the bike so far, I will try it on some longer runs and see how I get on maybe even a camping trip? I personally think there is a lot of bike snobbery about and people are put off riding something that makes you look like a beginner. But after riding bikes for nearly 38 years and having had al sorts of bikes I really don't care if it makes you happy and puts a smile on your face what more could you ask?


27/04/2019 14:19:02 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Womble, nice read thanks very much.
Whereabouts in Francais is that?
Upt'North.
27/04/2019 14:23:56 UTC
Womble said :-
Hi Upt'North. We are in mid France just north of Limoges it quite a hilly part of the world with plenty of country roads so a nice place to ride a bike.
28/04/2019 08:41:39 UTC
Sharon said :-
Hi Womble,

Thanks for your comment. I totally love to hear how someone who has had years or riding experience and rode lots of different sizes of bikes can rediscover the fun a smaller cc bike can offer.
I note you mentioned bike snobbery I totally agree with that. I wrote about this some time ago and I still hold by what I said. Link below if you want to read.

Lately I see I lot of people describing their 650 cc bikes as little bikes or baby bikes. Haaa like really. I guess if you compare it too a 1400cc is may be in numeric terms err smaller but in reality a 650cc is not a baby bike. I could go on ( maybe another size cc post is brewing in my mind haa)

Anyway the scenery in your photo is stunning. As you say with ever falling speed limits in most countries the appeal of smaller cc bikes should be obvious. However it make take the masses some time to cotton on.

I would love to here more about how you are get on with this bike so please keep us updated. May you have many happy womblings Womble.

http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=939...
28/04/2019 10:28:08 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Sharon, agree completely but we won't change popular opinion. I've even had my 1100 Pan described as being too "small". I didn't further the conversation, the man was obviously delusional or plain stupid.
Womble, I don't think I've been to or past Limoge although the mind isn't what it used to be. From memory I know I've been close'ish at Bourges, Albi, Bordeaux, Poitiers etc, please excuse my spelling if incorrect. No plans to cross the channel this year but all this talk of foreign climes is making my feet itch.
Upt'North.
28/04/2019 14:06:35 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
Why are bigger bikes more popular? Because they make more profit so the manufacturers tell us we need them. They can sell a 1,000cc or so bike for well north of £10,000. You can't tell me it costs twice as much to make as a 500. And most motorcyclists tend to follow the herd......

In the old days, a 500 was a big bike; 650s were either for coffee bar cowboys or sidecar hauling. 350s were often described as the best compromise (although I've always found the old 350 singles underpowered). My Guzzi is quite fast enough without being a pain to manhandle, and it meets my personal test of "enough power" - cresting the rise on the A435 up from Mappleborough Green at 70.

I know, I know, I'm a dinosaur. But they lasted a lot longer than we're likely to (and of course are still around).
28/04/2019 15:33:42 UTC
Rod said :-
Hi Womble,

Pleased that you are enjoying your new bike. The roads and scenery around your area are very nice, and some of the lakes are great. Have you sold your bigger bike, or are you keeping it?
I have tried unsuccessfully to down size, but I still love all bikes large and small. Small bikes have their place as do large bikes.

I think I must be one of those cc snobs which Sharon has mentioned. If a bike suits my riding, I would not be put off by the engine size, be that 100cc or 1800cc!
28/04/2019 20:49:29 UTC
Rod said :-
Ian, I agree with your comments about the manufacturers, and especially where you refer to 'enough power'.
Enough power for a one up 5 mile commute through traffic requires less power that a two up 500 mile day with full camping gear.
In the old days when a 500 was a big bike, I remember making a journey from Northamptonshire to Great Yarmouth.
Back then bypasses did not exist, so the journey involved travelling through Cambridge, Newmarket, Thetford and Norwich.
Now these towns and cities are bypassed by duel carriageways, actually most of the journey is now duel carriageway and speeds are much faster.
28/04/2019 21:44:22 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
I consider myself very lucky. I have my 125 for commuting and local rides and trips both near and far. If my mood or needs require I have an efficient 500 option too. I personally don't feel a need for 1100ccs, don't get me wrong though, I can see the attraction.

There's a difference between cc snobs and those who simply choose a larger capacity for whatever reason. Ride what you like and enjoy it, all I'd say is some bikers don't seem to respect other's choices.

Womble - it's heartwarming to hear you're enjoying the 125. I must admit my CBF's big touring days are somewhat behind it now. At 81000 miles it's developed an oil habit. I still take long rides and use it all week though. Even after all this time I enjoy riding it. It is such a simple, fun and effective motorcycle.

Sharon and I have been through Limoges. We camped at some posh chateau out of town, I'll see if I can find the link. What took you to France?
29/04/2019 08:51:00 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Château de Leychoisier, that's the place.
http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=580...
29/04/2019 08:56:26 UTC
Sharon said :-
Rod,
If you ride any cc bike because that suits you then you cannot be a cc snob.
Neither am I a reverse cc snob. I don't dislike larger capacity bikes or those who ride them. Each to their own.
No I cc snob is a person who comes over to admire a bike and then sees it's say a 250cc and sneers and walks away because it's suddenly not worth looking at. Or those who think a rider of a smaller cc bikes lack skills or confidence etc.
I am all for everyone choosing the right bike for them whatever shape, size or style that motorcycle may be. If it makes you smile that's what counts, it's the size of the grin that matters most.


29/04/2019 23:59:46 UTC
CrazyFrog said :-
If you want to experience REAL bike snobbery Sharon, try riding a Jawa or and MZ. You grow a thick skin very quickly :-)
30/04/2019 14:14:39 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Oh no!! Oh CrazyFrog, we won't let the nasty horrible bikers bully you. I, erm, I think you missed CZ and Minsk off that list.
30/04/2019 16:30:31 UTC
CrazyFrog said :-
Minsk you say? We enlightened MZ and Jawa riders sneer at the poor deluded souls who try to ride Russian motorcycles. Tsk, tsk...
01/05/2019 08:32:52 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
Blooming MZ/Jawa snobs.
01/05/2019 08:54:23 UTC
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Hi Thanks for the link Sharon yes it is funny when people refer to modern 650's as small bikes. As mentioned though it's down to personal choice providing your pockets are deep enough and yes of course the type of riding you do. My other ride is a Guzzi California and love the whole experience of riding it, but at this time it does not really fit with my current needs so yes it will be up for sale soon. The CBF at this moment suits my needs so will see how the next few months go. Rod, yes the lakes in the area are lovely we are very close to Lac saint Pardoux if you know the area. Just read the link you posted Ren don't know camping Château de Leychoisier but looks really nice it's about 20 minutes from us. We came here basically to live a quieter more controlled life simple as that really.
02/05/2019 09:30:26 UTC
Womble said :-
May 1st ride out, well the CBF125 won the toss between it and the California. It was possibly down to the route I had chosen but maybe because I just enjoy the little'un so much? Anyway first stop was to show Buddha my latest bike, he seemed impressed! Then off on my favourite local 85km route good mix of small twisty roads and very small twisty roads. Good ride out and hardly a car in sight! So far very pleased with the decision to go for a 125cc still can't believe that my bike has a smaller engine than my lawn mower!!!!!


02/05/2019 09:35:04 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Just checked Womble, mines got a 140cc OHC Honda lump in it.
Enjoy yourself.
Upt'North.
02/05/2019 12:28:58 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
You could always put the lawnmower lump into the CBF?
02/05/2019 16:38:04 UTC
Faz said :-
Hey yall!

Awesome review and loved reading all the comments. Just done my CBT and looking at bikes at the moment. Had my eye on a 2nd hand bike such as the cbf125, I'm a little unsure what to do.....

I started the cbt on a 125 and was doing ok but struggling in a few places with changing gears. Saying that I thought the bike I had was a little ropey in 1st gear but might just have been me! The instructor then advised to do it on the moped and I can then buy and practice on a 125 after I passed.

Moped was no probs as it was automatic, my question is should I hold off buying a cbf now? I've been driving cars for decades so know the whole gear shifting etc and I'm 90% sure I will get the hang of it in time. Question is shall I buy manual and practise? Or go automatic moped and be safe?

Thanks peeps
06/09/2019 22:19:20 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Faz, hey ya self.
I'd go manual. If you stick with it it will give you more choice going forward.
There are more auto/semi auto bikes being released but not in certain bike/size types.
You are used to manual transmissions anyway so it will be no big deal. Once you can practice the correct procedures at your own leisure then progress should be quick.
Hope it helps, good luck.
Upt'North.
07/09/2019 00:02:40 UTC
Borsuk said :-
I'm with Upt'North.
Go manual. If you go auto you are restricted in the future, go manual and the world is your mollusc of choice. Made all my kids learn to drive in manuals and the same for motorbikes for those who chose that path. Getting used to a clutch takes a bit of time, same as when you started driving but it is just matter of changing foot hand coordination to hand foot coordination. Like all things it takes practice.
07/09/2019 00:53:27 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Hi Faz.

Remember most of the readers ride geared bikes so we have a bias. What matters is what you wish to do with motorcycling in the future. If you wish to ride a range of motorcycles then stick with the gears and get used to them. You will, if you can drive a geared car, get the hang of a geared bike soon enough.

If however you like automatics, which are primarily of the scooter variety but there is a growing number of "traditional" motorcycles that have auto then stick with auto. There are some fabulous scooters out there and Honda now has an adventure scooter auto, a 750cc auto and the Africa Twin 1000 auto.

Personally though, the CBF125 I have owned now for 7 years is just a fan-bleeding-tastic bike. 84,500 miles on the clock now...
07/09/2019 11:41:28 UTC
Faz said :-
Thanks for the quick replies, I'm gonna go manual!

Got my eye on CBF125, it's 2008 with 5400 miles and 3 owners. MOT running out next month with price of £800 and open to offers.
OK condition but has that dreaded mark by the Honda logo fairing to show its been dropped. Other than that can't see much rust on the pics


There's another bike CB125F, it's 2016 with 10000 on the clock, 1 owner FSH, custom exhaust, for £1200 no offers. Looks pretty mint.

I'm an absolute noob and was wondering what key things to look for when inspecting a bike. Doubt that I would get a test run, wondering if you guys got any tips and what to look for? I know Googles my friend but it's pretty generic. I know the older CBFs had some stuff about fuel filter becoming faulty? Will do the obvious vehicle checks before I see them as they are both on sale on Facebook.

I've got no bike rider mates so really need to book up a bit about bikes before buying one willy nilly lol

Penny for your thoughts TIA
07/09/2019 18:02:15 UTC
Upt'North said :-
If you've got the for sale links post them here, if OK with Ed. They we can check them out.
But...........
These bikes aren't rare, are they, excuse my ignorance.
I would ensure they are properly serviced. Either a stamped up book or lots of receipts for oil etc.
Tyre depth OK?
Chain and sprockets OK? Check ebay for pics.
Check for oil leaks where it is parked.
I wouldn't worry about the odd mark but haggle hard. Damaged plastics can easily write a bike off. Don't worry about being the sellers best friend, they can always say no.
Check fork legs for oil leaks around the seals.
Do front and rear brakes work.
Check numbers on the bike against V5, frame and engine.
If in doubt, WALK AWAY EVERY TIME.
Make sure you take someone with you, four eyes are better than two.
UPT'NORTH
But if Ed says yes post the links.
07/09/2019 18:15:06 UTC
Faz said :-
Here are the 2 bikes, I know it's all subjective and preference etc. Would love some pros and cons for both bikes in your humble opinions and what to look for/keep an eye.

Chars
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07/09/2019 18:17:11 UTC
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07/09/2019 18:18:19 UTC
Faz said :-
Thanks UPT North you legend. Will wait for Steady Eddy's permission for links, if not I've posted up some pics, apologies for spamming this thread everyone!
07/09/2019 18:20:49 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Both look tidy bikes.
I'd say worth looking at.
The engine bars and top box are good accessories on the 2016 but make sure the silencer is a road legal one or it could fail an MOT. Silencer should be EU BS marked and not marked, NOT FOR ROAD USE. Ask the seller, they may still have the original, if so include it in the purchase.
The top box, rack and engine bars are probably worth about 400 pounds.
Don't worry about the mileage but check for blue smoke from the exhaust.
Upt'North.

07/09/2019 18:29:39 UTC
Upt'North said :-
You will find genuine sellers will talk for hours and be open with their answers. If they are evasive, useless, stupid, generally a PITA, walk away.
Upt'North.
07/09/2019 18:31:42 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Put the links on!
07/09/2019 18:55:16 UTC
Faz said :-
Thank you kindly North and Ed

Here are the links...

https://www.facebook.com/groups/257097417690441/permalink/2591419287591564/?sale_post_id=2591419287591564

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/458057681450890/

The 2016 one the guy said its been in the garage for a year as he stopped biking, and MOT hes gonna do next saturday. I said pending MOT I will pay £1200. He's been pretty honest saying the back tyre is new and front one would need changing. He's been pretty open and after offering a cheeky £1100 offer he said he can only do £1200. He said he's got full service history from Honda garage with the last one being at 8000. He even suggested getting a lex moto tekken as its cheap if im looking at a budget bike? Can see from previous history he's had it on for £1600 with no takers. Anyways....

2008 one MOT is due next month, guy has had it as a uni commute for 2-3 years but hasn't done many miles since last MOT which passed with no advisories 11 months ago. Both in good nick it seems but pictures can only tell so much....

On another tangent, is it true that Conti Go tyres are the best ones? Take it they prob the most expensive too. Hearing they not too good on the wet? Also is it recommended to change oil at 2500 intervals? Looks pretty easy as a DIY jobby looking on YouTube even for a novice like me
07/09/2019 19:15:16 UTC
Faz said :-
Although saying that on the Dvla Mot Check it's saying that the 2016 one is a Honda GLR which I believe is CB125F but its blue? On the photos its clearly black?
07/09/2019 19:23:50 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
The later model is the CB125F. It is in many ways similar to the earlier CBF125 but not having owned one for 7 years I can't form a solid opinion.

The Conti-Go tyres are fine, I am personally finding the Michelin City Pro to be better and similarly priced on my CBF.

DO change the oil every 2500 miles, very sound advice. If you have the skills to learn, learn to set the tappets. If not you must get these checked. The manual says every 2500 miles as well. If the bike is new this is good advice but after say 10,000 miles it should have settled, I'd check them every 5 to 7 thousand after that. I'd probably suggest the same for the newer CB125F too.

As Upt' says. WALK AWAY!!! Unless it feels honest, the log book is right and everything is tickety-boo then don't be over excited and keen. WALK AWAY!!!


07/09/2019 21:16:25 UTC
Upt'North said :-
The DVLA check is a concern. As in big concern, but there may be an easy explanation.
Again check the V5 like a hawk, do the online checks, if not right, walk.
The other earlier bike looks good too.
I would also take any firm prices with a large pinch of salt, waving £20.00 notes can weaken someone's resolve. But don't gamble if not right, £1200.00 is a lot of money to lose.
Good luck and Ed is far more knowledgeable about 125's than I.
Upt'North.
07/09/2019 21:31:03 UTC
David Barwick said :-
The newer CB125F (UK) model is a Honda global model (GLR125) this is what appears in the V5.
The Black colour, Honda calls "Onyx Blue Metallic" is actually BLACK.
https://www.honda.co.uk/motorcycles/range/125cc/cb125f-2015/specifications.html...
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Faz said :-
North, Ren and David thanks a mil. Viewing the bikes next weekend, prefer the CB125F. Will let you guys know in due time, and no doubt picking your brains for some advice!
08/09/2019 10:35:31 UTC
Upt'North. said :-
I said there might be a simple explanation despite Honda's determination to confuse matters.
Thank you David.
Upt'North.
08/09/2019 10:51:28 UTC
Borsuk said :-
The first time I ran my Honley through the DVLA database it came up as a Volkswagen Golf GTI for some strange reason, and it wasn't that I had mistyped the reg. The wife's Raptor in Spain comes up as an Audi.
08/09/2019 12:45:09 UTC
Chris said :-
The mileage on your CBF125 still amazes me. Like with a lot of things though, if you do the right sort of maintenance at the right time it makes all the difference. When I last posted in this thread I had a Triumph STR. Since selling that a few years ago I've had a Vespa GTS300 and a Honda PCX125. The little PCX was a great scooter, I'd highly recommend one to anybody. I really was impressed by it, and it still handled really well even though the tyre profiles are quite slim. It wasn't ideal for my needs though. Where I live, in Richmond N.Yorks, to get anywhere requires the use of a faster route. If the roads were clear I'd quite happily waft along at a leisurely pace although other drivers are often less patient. I commute daily though Swaledale (aside from the worst of the winter conditions). It's a hilly old route in parts and I was forever at the mercy of car drivers tailgating etc. If I lived in Bury, GTR Manchester for example where my parents live I'd have one again without a doubt. Anyhow, after some time I changed the PCX for a Honda SH300, which I think is a brilliant machine. It has capacious amounts of storage and 90 -110 mpg dependent on speed etc. The SH is a keeper for me. Alongside that I now have a Honda CB1000R. I have looked at smaller cc bikes previously however manufacturers seem to have this habit of making them smaller in terms of their physical size. Take the CB300R & CB1000R for example, seat height of the 300 is 799mm vs 830mm for the 1000. So basically I'm covering both ends of the scale really with cc, however I don't ride either machine any different to the other. I've never had less fun though with smaller cc and often there's spare change for a cake and a drink at the end. It's the same deal with cars, I drive a VW UP GTI and that only has a 999cc engine. Many would sneer at its tiny engine but it is joy to drive.
12/09/2019 19:14:48 UTC
Faz said :-
Chris def about the experience and what the individual wants and needs are! Just wondering what you guys think of this bike?

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/454366645289486/

This has come up and guy willing to go down to £1100. 2 owners and had a minor accident accident in Dec where the car fled the scene. Damage was a crack to the fairing as well as front mudguard which was repaired for £100?! Is this bike worth a look or doe it should like a lemon?! No advisories on last MOT. There is a bit of rust on the bike but looks like only surface? Cheers as always
13/09/2019 11:19:14 UTC
Chris said :-
Faz,

i've had a quick look on eBay just now just out of curiosity to see what was around. It's always tricky finding small cc bikes in tidy or good condition as they more often than not get such a hard life.


13/09/2019 22:35:48 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Fazed - why is the mileage in KM? Is it an import?
14/09/2019 07:24:52 UTC
Faz said :-
Ren the km is the default I think when my on Facebook, all in miles as far as I can see

The guy bailed and said he needs the bike now for the 2016 cbf so now going to view this latest bike with 1900 on the clock

What ya think about the rust at the bottom. The guy said that the there is a crack on the mudguard, easy/cheap to repair? The fairing was replaced are these expensive?

Thanks
14/09/2019 08:12:29 UTC
Ian Soady said :-
Cracked mudguard and replaced fairing spells crashed to me. Who knows what other horrors await......
14/09/2019 10:10:51 UTC
Faz said :-
Cheers Ian, I've viewed the bike, seems a genuine guy. I saw the damaged fairing as he fitted the new one himself, it was just really scratched up tbh. No cracks. Few things I was a bit iffy about was the rust as shown in the following pics to the back forks and pipe leading to exhaust. Not sure if I should stay well away or just superficial, he said he can clean that right up before I buy? Mmm what's your opinions girls and boys? Everything else seems fine with the bike. Done the vehicle check via HPI and everything came back fine
14/09/2019 19:20:48 UTC
Faz said :-
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14/09/2019 20:02:23 UTC
Chris said :-
Do these bikes normally fare badly rust wise? For the mileage, I'm surprised at the corrosion on some bits. I would expect a little better for a Honda - perhaps just infrequently cleaned.

Exhausts are pretty easily cleaned up and re-painted if the pitting is not too excessive. My opinion is that I think that you be able to find something better. Obviously this will be dependant on how far you are willing to travel. I'd probably be checking the likes of the YBR125 too just to widen the chances of finding the best bike.
14/09/2019 22:22:56 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Faz,
It is clear it has been unloved, probably ridden in winter and then parked up with gay abandon.
He will not be able to clean it up before sale, I'm not saying the corrosion is terminal but it will never look new and shiny.
Your choice, but it is an unloved bike.
Upt'North.
14/09/2019 23:09:30 UTC
Faz said :-
Thanks Chris and North you are legends. I know cbfs rust, looking at the rust did make my heart sink a bit. I thought mileage under 2000? The guy seemed genuine and said near enough throughout that the 1st owner left it a fair while before it was sold. I've seen 2011 cbfs advertised with 14k + on the clock with a few owners that looked proper loved. Ya sure a few spots of rust here and there. So..... the search continues! I know it's all relative and loads of factors. What would you say was a realistic year/mileage/owners for around a £1k for cbf/cbr bikes? Don't mind a few scratches, nit expecting pristine condition but one in fairly decent nick. Don't really wanna go to the stealership of I can help it. Cheers
14/09/2019 23:55:47 UTC
Jim said :-
Hi Faz - I bought a 2014 CBF125 a year ago for a practice machine after struggling through the CBT. Ran it through the winter before going through the DAS in spring. My exhaust was certainly as rusty as that one, but it did clean up nicely with a lot of elbow grease, Jenolite and some Simoniz high temperature paint. The shocks are pretty bad though. Mileage is almost irrelevant to the rust if it's been kept outside - try to find one that's been garaged, although as has already been said, these poor things often have a hard life. Number of owners isn't a huge factor either, as a lot of these bikes are bought with the idea of getting an 'A' licence and then upgrading. Having said all of that, the CBF125 will hold its value better than most 125s - I put 4000 miles on mine over last winter and got back exactly what I paid for it.

Good luck with the search.

Jim

15/09/2019 07:30:36 UTC
Faz said :-
Cheers Jim, ya will keep looking. My main purpose is for a bit of leisurely ride, the odd commute to work as well as possibly doing a bit of delivery (nothing too strenuous, a few nights a week), will keep my eyes peeled and update
15/09/2019 09:15:33 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Faz,
Yes you're right but also wrong. How does that always happen.
Dealers are not all bad and prices going into the W word are usually keen and they will haggle, the big benefits of a warranty albeit usually only 3 to 6 months can help you with a little peace of mind.
It doesn't hurt to look around your local dealers, if the stock is dirty, rusty and the staff a PITA or useless then try the next. Looking on Autotrader, MCN bikes for sale will show where your local dealers are. Worst ways to spend a day. Maybe.
Upt'North.
15/09/2019 09:59:56 UTC
Pocketpete said :-
Ah rust.... my cb500x rusted really well with corrosion on the abs rings and a few other places. Eventually I adopted the sharon method which saw off most of the rust and it seemed pretty unaffected with all the muc off stuff and Williams wash and wax. Combined with act and mu94 spray. The bike seemed to stay pretty suspended in time with no new spots of rust.

After 3 years it looked pretty decent I wish someone had shown me how to clean it properly when I purchased it. I bet 125cc bikes are shabby as they are bought by inexperienced riders who dknt know about a good cleaning regime.
16/09/2019 11:09:34 UTC
Faz said :-
Thanks for the replies all, addressed the rust issues with the guy and has done some cleaning. Here are the results, for comparison the before photos are a couple posts up from a few days ago. What do we think of the rust?
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16/09/2019 15:40:34 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Faz,
My concern is it shows neglect.
I'm guessing every fastener will be corroded/seized, a right royal pain in the arris.
If you are a competent spannerer then maybe that won't be a problem.
This bike would have to be cheap, cheap and then a little cheap to take it on.
It'll certainly never be a looker.
With regards to the exhaust, they all do that sir. Black exhausts always rust on the outside. In my experience they drive you nuts but wipe them down with a little light oil after each clean and they last OK.
You'll have to go with your gut feeling Faz, what mine is, is kind of irrelevant.
Upt'North.


16/09/2019 16:58:43 UTC
creed87 said :-
If at all possible, I would up your budget. In the longer term it wouldn't theoretically cost you more money in terms of ownership costs as they hold their money well. In the current price range you will be limited in terms of finding a pretty clean bike unless older or a high miler.

Chris
18/09/2019 19:22:12 UTC
creed87 said :-
I'd personally be looking to go for something like the CBF125 listed below or a pre-reg or a nearly new bike.
https://www.speedwellmotorcycles.co.uk/bikes.html

If I was in the £1000 bracket I'd probably be looking more towards an auto scooter as you tend to get more for your money used in that particular price bracket.

Chris
18/09/2019 19:35:29 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Speedwell Motorcycles? Are you from the Radcliffe area creed87?
19/09/2019 11:04:38 UTC
creed87 said :-
I know the area well, used to live in Walshaw, Bury; my parents still do. Live in North Yorkshire now, started of in Bedale but close to Richmond currently.

My first moped was a Peugeot and at the time Speedwells were a dealer. The early Peugeots were good machines, I had a few different ones and so had a few parts here and there. They are decent guys at Speedwells.
19/09/2019 20:53:20 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
They are good chaps. Purchased an NTV650 Revere from them years and years ago and as my friend used to live nearby he dealt with them a lot. Mind you, I think Richmond is a nicer area than Radcliffe.
20/09/2019 08:52:45 UTC
Faz said :-
Morning morning all, proud to say I'm an owner of a CB125F! Doing a bit of research and was 1) wondering what tools and liquids I would need to moderately service the bike? I got oil, acf50, chain lube, ratchet set on the list. 2) Any advice on cleaning the bike as well, I was thinking good old fashioned bucket and sponge and then quick dry off. Bike doesn't have to be sparkling and showroom, just the regular maintenance and tlc as I want to ride it every weekend (come rain or shine!) 3) and lastly storage of the bike. I put it in the garage but is it worth covering it in the actual garage. I know it sounds wierd but wondering if that would make a difference as a bit of air might be good for the bike as its indoors. Thanks for reading the super noob questions. I know googles my friend but there's too much info out there in the interwebs and would like specific pointers on this specific bike! Chars
29/09/2019 09:18:59 UTC
Pocketpete said :-
Faz stick to the sharon cleaning routine it will keep your bike looking good and pretty rust free.
29/09/2019 11:04:54 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Faz, I'm not a water and soap type of guy but if that's how you rumble then Do NOT wash it and put it away wet and covered. Leave it to dry out in the garage before covering. Don't ride it in the salty crud if you can avoid it. I do cover in the garage but only to stop it getting covered in dust during lay ups.
I think you'll figure out what tools you need along the way, but do not use a Phillips screwdriver, invest in a set of JIS screwdrivers, they will serve you well.
Enjoy your ride, go safe.
Upt'North.
29/09/2019 15:23:54 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Like this Faz.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/p/Laser-Tools-7036-JIS-Screwdriver-Set-4pc/28031189979?ii...
29/09/2019 15:43:48 UTC
Ren - The Ed said :-
If it's in the garage I can't see any reason to cover it save to keep the dust off, in which case an old sheet will work and allow the bike to breathe too. I'm just envious that you have a garage...pfffft!

I'll add a link to Sharon's guide. Personally I'm from the cover it in oil and dirt so it won't rust school. bikes are for riding not for polishing....pffffffft!!

Learn to lubricate your chain after each ride (1 minute job). Learn how to check the chain, check the oil level, check the tyre pressures, check the lights and check the brakes (5 minute job). Learn how to adjust the chain (5 minute job after much practice). If you can do all that you're certainly on the right track.

Then move on to oil changes every 2500 miles on the CB125F. Strictly speaking the tappets should be done every 2.5k as well but my earlier CBF125 now gets done every 10k. What's the mileage on the new bike?
30/09/2019 09:08:49 UTC
Faz said :-
Thanks all, late reply on the account that this weather has been absolutely pony! Mileage is 2000, I'm from the same school as you Ed! Would love a link to that guide, what's a Sharon by the way?! I jest I jest! Bike needs to be mechanically OK, and just generally clean. Have neither the time or the patience sadly to keep it shining but wanna look after the baby! Thanks for the replies all, much love. PS is there an idiots guide as to what to do after every bike ride? Is it just a 5 minute wipe down with a dry cloth. Will get used every few days weather pending
14/10/2019 15:04:13 UTC
Upt'North said :-
Faz, if it's been dry a spray and polish with Mr Sheen is probably all it'll need but if there's salt and grit on there car wash liquid and warm water may be required but keep it away from switches and electrics.
More important is the pre ride, check lights, tyres and pressures, security of the ancillaries etc, check oil and brake fluid. Might sound onerous but will take seconds in reality.
Enjoy.
Upt'North.
14/10/2019 15:27:04 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
A "Sharon" is a member of the genus "Homo Sapiens". This particular Sharon has been know to grace this blog with her (she identifies as a traditional female) wisdom from time to time. She has a growing knowledge of cleaning motorcycles which is something her partner Ren (who's gender identity is still unknown) is completely useless at.

I'll see what I can find.
15/10/2019 09:05:35 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Here's 3 pages from her worshipful ladyship Sharon.

https://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=924
https://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=715
https://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=965

After every bike ride -
put some lube on the chain (anything from expensive special products to old engine oil will do)
if roads are salty hose the bike down with cold water (warm water encourages the chemical reactions)

Think more about thorough weekly work though as that will make the difference. Remember BOLTS
Brakes
Oil
Lights
Tyres
Steering/Suspension


15/10/2019 09:13:43 UTC
nab301 said :-
Ren, I've recently purchased a new CB125F and i'm curious what sort of revs and throttle opening you use on your CBF125 to obtain 140ish mpg?
First tank on My CB was 137 mpg , then 120 mpg , 108 mpg and currently 103 mpg .. obviously after the first tankful I started increasing revs and throttle opening for short bursts in the interests of running in the engine but on the 4th tankful I was back in economy mode , revs rarely over 6k rpm and rarely more than 1/3 throttle opening. Anyone else got a CB 125F or is the CBF just better on fuel? or maybe I have a technical problem , 2k km's covered.
Nigel
11/11/2019 23:42:41 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
My CBF125 is one of the first off the production line and did not come with a rev counter so I can't help with the revs I'm running at. While I don't thrash my bike mercilessly everywhere I go I do ride it. I keep pace with traffic where I can, I'll give it what for on the open roads but then I can be very very subtle and gentle around traffic.

A look on fuelly.com comparing the CB125F against the CBF125 seems to suggest the CBF125 is slightly more economical. Why this would be I do not know because I suspect the engine designs are very similar.


12/11/2019 09:12:57 UTC
nab301 said :-
Thanks for the reply , I know my bike has a balance shaft , but I can't figure out if the CBF has , maybe it saps a bit of power / economy.
Just to eliminate it , I've checked the valve clearances and they're fine, although worringly ? there was some mayo in the valve cover.
Maybe the unseasonable cold weather is also affecting the petrol consumption , I checked the Iat (ntc) sensor resistance and in the 5deg c temp its resistance was around 5k ohm which presumably makes the engine run richer . The Haynes manual states 1 to 4 k ohm @ 20deg c which doesn't sound correct. The resistance definitely lowers with higher temperature. According to Haynes , with a faulty (disconnected? ) sensor the ecm assumes 35deg c , (It definitely runs ok disconnected but triggers the FI light which had to be reset ) maybe that would improve MPG...
I've also marked the twist grip and in general apart from a short burst at 50% in the traffic light Grand prix , once on the go I rarely use more than 25/30% throttle
.
I've added a photo of the CBS mechanical / hydraulic linkage ( I'd prefer a standard system) and the spark plug colour.
Nigel
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17/11/2019 21:25:50 UTC
nab301 said :-
CBS linkage
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17/11/2019 21:27:17 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Spark plug looks fine to me. Thing is from 105mpg to 140mpg I daresay the mixture would be barely different.

I did not know the CB125F has a balancer, but a look online at the parts diagrams confirms the CB125F does and the CBF125 does not. A balancer shaft must use some power but how much? That I don't know.

While you're mentioning brake things, I take it you've checked for binding brakes? Stiff bearings? Tyre pressures?
18/11/2019 09:50:12 UTC
nab301 said :-
Thanks again for the reply Ren. There's nothing binding and strangely , the current tankful despite thrashing the bike is showing signs of being back to 140ish mpg ? I'll confirm when i fill again . Maybe the local petrol station pumps are out of calibration?
Also , I actually found a road test of my model penned by yourself? Apologies if I should have added these queries there instead...

https://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=812

Nigel
23/11/2019 20:19:58 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Chill nab301, we're not strict here at BAT.
24/11/2019 20:52:58 UTC
shug said :-
Can I ask Ren-The Ed where I can find the 'online parts diagrams' you mention? And does anyone know if the chain case the CB125F come with in Australia? Thanks in advance.
08/04/2023 12:27:11 UTC
shug said :-
Can I ask Ren-The Ed where I can find the 'online parts diagrams' you mention? And does anyone know if the chain case the CB125F come with in Australia? Thanks in advance.
08/04/2023 12:27:20 UTC
Upt'North ¹ said :-
Shug, I've done a quick Google....it would appear the Aussie bikes come with a full chain guard and the parts catalogues for the CB125F and CBF125 are available online at CMSNL and an Hungarian Honda site but these will be for European bikes.
Upt.
Ed will be along soon, well soon'ish.
08/04/2023 12:51:53 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I've been out riding my motorcycle, it's a dirty job but someone has to do it.

I've always used Lings Honda's website for the parts diagrams. As this is a UK and European site I doubt they'll have any pertinent information for any Aussie models.
https://hondaspareparts.co.uk/pages/parts-search...
08/04/2023 18:18:49 UTC
Shug said :-
Thanks both.
11/04/2023 09:28:18 UTC
madbatt said :-
Hi Ren, guys during plandemia I had not much choice and just cleaned the fuel filter with no problem. Few days ago, changed it with brand new and the fuel pump now sounds different, like some air in it, strange because the whole unit is drowned in the fuel tank. The filter comes with O-rings that also was replaced. Do you think it's an issue with the pump or just needs bleeding/venting fuel lines?
Regards
10/06/2023 11:08:23 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
Is the bike running OK madbatt? Now - this page is referring to my review of the CBF125 - and my CBF125 has an external fuel pump just above the left side swingarm pivot and front sprocket. As yours is in the fuel tank - which bike are we referring to here?
12/06/2023 13:01:22 UTC
madbatt said :-
Hi, can not find the page I wrote before ... it's CB 125 F, YOM 2015. Fuel pump unit, is in the fuel tank. First km, or so its OK, then no power. See pictures attached.
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14/06/2023 19:16:08 UTC
nab301 said :-
@ madbatt I think this is what you posted before , see link below middle of the thread
Nigel
http://bikesandtravels.com/biker.aspx?ride=7348...
15/06/2023 15:45:10 UTC
Ren - The Ed¹ said :-
I don't know if I've mentioned this before, but have you checked the fuel tank breather?
16/06/2023 22:23:58 UTC

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