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CB500X Screen Improvements Ian Soady said :-
Yes, looking over the Chaos de Montpellier....

This is the view the other way towards the bridge.

CB500X Screen Improvements Ren - The Ed said :-
Millau area Ian? Yes the CB500X has the screen mounted to the fairing and therefore the frame rather than the bars and therefore the steering. I daresay it might still be possible to upset the stability of a motorcycle if the screen is somehow very "wrong" even if it is fairing mounted. Is that the aerofoil you made in the picture or the original.

Rod - 19 years! That's a fair old time to keep a bike. How many miles did you put on it and why, in the end, did you replace it?

CB500X Screen Improvements Rod said :-
Took this pic just before I sold her.
Owned for 19 years, the GTR had the perfect weather protection and I would ride in still air at three figure speeds.

CB500X Screen Improvements Ian Soady said :-
When I had the Tiger I fitted an MRA screen with an aerofoil which was quite good - even better with a taller aerofoil which I made myself (like you an offcut from a local plastics factory).

You can see it in the photo below.

Of course the Tiger fairing was frame-fitted so the instability issue didn't arise.

CB500X Screen Improvements Ren - The Ed said :-
I must admit Ian I was rather loathe to publish this item for fear that someone fits a huge screen and then promptly crashes. Small screens can be OK - they won't stop as much wind blast but because of their smaller size they tend not to suffer too much turbulence.

Upt'North - Sorry dad! Blimey, I'm being badgered via the internet now. I'd best not show you what the kitchen looks like or you'll give me a right old lecture.

CB500X Screen Improvements Upt'North said :-
Nice plastic work Ren the Ed,

CB500X Screen Improvements Ian Soady said :-
I briefly had a tallish Givi screen on my SLR650 but rapidly removed it as it made the bars flap especially when coming up behind car transporters and the like. I had a smaller version on the CB400 and that was OK - in fact I'm looking for a cheap one to put on the Guzzi.

CB500X Screen Improvements Ren - The Ed said :-
I'm being thick aren't I. The problem with text is often the context is missed. Still, it has got me thinking about gaffer taping bits of plastic onto the CBF125's screen. Hmmmm....

CB500X Screen Improvements Rod said :-
Ren, I was joking about the power. But as I am sure you know, you will go faster on the 125 down on the tank than sitting bolt upright (if the gearing is high enough).
You are correct that when sitting upright the high screen will have little or no effect on the speed.

CB500X Screen Improvements Ren - The Ed said :-
Yes...and no. What is lost to the screen is only lost to your body instead. Save for some incredibly complex aerodynamic truths the net effect is probably not that much.

My concern on a 125 would be stability. A big big screen could have some unforeseen consequences. I'd be tempted to play with some minor adaptations though, if for nothing else than academic research.

CB500X Screen Improvements Rod said :-
Nice job Ren.
One of the things I miss from my time owning a big touring bike is the large screen and weather protection.
I fear that my bikes power would not cope with a barn door on the front of it lol.

Keeway Front Sprocket Ren - The Ed said :-
Hi Sean. You're going to need to talk to your Keeway dealer. They are practically the same bike so I suspect they'll be the same - but! The rear wheel is different between the models and without looking at them it is possible the rear sprocket is different.

If you have not got a local dealer you can contact the UK importer via the link I'll add below...
www.motogb.co.uk ...

Biker Code Nonsense Ren - The Ed said :-
Aaaah the old Ford Escorts. Lovely little rust-buckets.

I should imagine most of the flat battery scenarios these days are due to the bike only being used 6 times a year.

Spare Parts for the Keeway RKS 125cc Philippe said :-
PDF parts catalog
RKS 125-150-ACE150 E01???/????? COVER CYLINDER HEAD ASSY ... PDFwww.puzey.co.za ...

Spare Parts for the Keeway RKS 125cc Philippe said :-
XLS parts catalog
www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.motorky-skutre.sk/PDF/PRILOHY/v ...

Spare Parts for the Keeway RKS 125cc Philippe said :-
Also the RKV125 complete manual, not exactly the same than RKS but quite similar, same engine if I am correct
www.manualslib.com/manual/922664/Keeway-Rkv125.html ...

Spare Parts for the Keeway RKS 125cc Philippe said :-
I found it...

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.puzey.co.za/downloads/userManua ...

Keeway Front Sprocket Sean said :-
Will the keeway tx chain and sprocket fit on and work with the txm model

Biker Code Nonsense Ian Soady said :-
No, that's me in front. Passed you when we encountered the head wind......

Modern engines certainly are more reliable and so they should be. But when I was an AA patrol in the dim and distant, the most common call out was a flat battery. I suspect it's still the same - look at lots of posts on many modern bike forums. But at least now you don't get folk locking themselves out of their Ford Escorts having left the keys inside.

Biker Code Nonsense Ren - The Ed said :-
Yeah, I too have been stopped just to take a piccy or to stretch my legs and a random passing biker has stopped to check I'm OK. Despite modern tech's complexity surely even Ian must acknowledge the modern engines are more reliable? Surely?! He's behind me isn't he...

Biker Code Nonsense Ian Soady said :-
Ting! Did I hear my name?

Most people who ride that sort of bike (the Honda possibly excluded) actually fettle their machines themselves so are usually able to fix the majority of things themselves. Having said that, ageing electrics (particularly magnetos) and carburetters can be troublesome.

But a wider point is that a lot of (most) people these days just have their bike serviced at a dealer and wouldn't know one end of a spark plug from t'other. So there's little point in their stopping other than to offer warm words. But there are still many who will stop - when I had trouble with my 400/4 a nice chap on a beautiful Amaranth Red Speed Twin stopped and held the traffic at bay while I pushed it off a motorway roundabout to a safe layby.

Further, in the "good old days" most bikes were essentially very similar and used common components so there was a fighting chance that if you stopped you'd have something to contribute. And of course if you stopped to help you were quite likely to learn something that may stand you in good stead for the next time it happened to you!

Again, RAC/AA (the only ones available then) membership was a luxury most of us couldn't afford. I have probably told here the story of how my Norton Commando decided to dump all its oil and break a con rod about 80 miles from hme, after which I managed to hitch a lift with it in a Transit driven by a nice man to a local station where I could buy a ticket for myself & bike to get back to Brum!

With respect to the original question, I recommend a book called "Enduring Love" by Ian McEwan which depicts some unfortunate results of offering to help. No motorcycling content but a good read.

Biker Code Nonsense Rod said :-
I still find many bikers will stop if help is needed. When I am parked up at the side of the road for a cuppa, I see bikers slow down and look to see if I need any help. A wave and a thumbs up, and their normal speed is restored.
As for the pic with the comment " with bikes like these you'd need all the help you can get". I will await Ian's reply.

Find An Excuse To Explore Ren - The Ed said :-
Upt'North. There's a campsite close to Rothesay on Bute. I think that might be a good place to stop. Pocketpete - I am hoping the long skinny peninsula will mean it's quiet. I've been as far as Tarbert a long time ago.

It's all still up in the air but I am starting to like the idea so it's slowly becoming a certainty. Hmmmmm.

Find An Excuse To Explore Pocketpete said :-
Lowland. Campbelltown looks interesting. Probably less traffic as well. Might actually buy a tent in the January sales..

Find An Excuse To Explore Upt'North said :-
Ren the Ed, if spending time in Ayrshire consider going onto Bute at Wemyss and off again on the north of the island to the Secret Coast and onto Campbeltown. Either stay on overnight or just a lunch stop perhaps. The Isle of Bute is, well, a beaut. A ride around the island doesn't take long and there's good places for food.
Enjoy your planning. I love the planning!
I also know a good overnight in Girvan, but if you're camping then that's of no use.

Find An Excuse To Explore Ren - The Ed said :-
Oh and the pictures, both of them, look gorgeous. Grrrrr, wanna be there.

Find An Excuse To Explore Ren - The Ed said :-
I wouldn't go as far as to say The Highlands are full to bursting but yes it's busier up there than it used to be.

I am hoping the long peninsula to Campbeltown will mean it's a little quieter down there. My plan is thus...

2 nights Ayrshire coast, 2 nights Campbeltown area, 2 nights Strontium and 1 night Peebles to break up the return journey. This isn't set in stone, just something I'm toying with so far.

Find An Excuse To Explore Upt'North said :-
What happened there then.
Just like my school report. Must try harder!

Find An Excuse To Explore Upt'North said :-
Ren the Ed, if you're doing SW Scotland then hope you like these pics, The Isle of Bute and The secret coast are to die for. We did a 4 day mini tour about two years ago. Its charm is in no bugger goes there and so much easier to get too than the Highlands which are full to bursting these days.

Find An Excuse To Explore Ren - The Ed said :-
Upt'North - admittedly most of the cafes I go to are "biker" cafes. Not specifically set up for motorcyclists but the motorcyclists regularly gather there. I daresay the age of the cafe culture is still with us in some way.

However yes I also enjoy going somewhere "non biker". So far from countless cafes, pubs and restaurants over the years I've only ever found one that wouldn't deal with a rider the same as any other customer. I often wonder if some riders WANT to be rejected so they can cause a stir.

I'm not so keen on the cafe in Edinburgh city, I'd end up terribly lost. The one on the Northumbria coast looks good though. I've put a star on my Google maps.

Bridges looks fun Ian, and not too hard to find. I've seen the Millau bridge from underneath but when I looked up my eyes were filled with rain, the weather was awful that day. I've also been over the Pont Du Normandy. I could list a whole plethora of brilliant bridges but there's space for many more. I do rather like the covered bridge, very evocative and I can't recall ever seeing one in the flesh.

Pocketpete. I'm looking at "doing" a week in Scotland but this time on the Southern West Coast. I've never been to Campbeltown see. I'll let you know how I get on.

Find An Excuse To Explore Pocketpete said :-
Ian looks a nice trip across France. I really must have a trip to Europe on my bike or maybe Scotland.
Hopefully I can gate crash one of ren's and Sharon's trip next year.

Find An Excuse To Explore Ian Soady said :-
a short report of that trip for anyone interested......
www.iansoady.org.uk/france%202007/fullfrance.html ...

Find An Excuse To Explore Ian Soady said :-
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Find An Excuse To Explore Ian Soady said :-
Another "target" I've found interesting is bridges. I had a great short tour in France 5 years or so ago where I tried to "capture" some interesting ones - the Pont de Normandie which is like riding up a cliff face, the Millau Viaduct which is spectacular in the extreme, a covered bridge which I stumbled across, etc etc....

Find An Excuse To Explore Upt'North said :-
Two pre requisites for me are weather and food.
I've ridden for donkey's years in ice encrusted clothing and you know what, it stinks!
So good weather and a good place to eat. Or good weather and find a good place to eat. Obviously being bikers that also means a good place to park our pride and joy.
I'm not thinking of biker friendly pubs, cafes etc, but regular places that embrace the odd rogue motorcyclist and pillion. It sometimes nice not to be among a hoard of greasy bikers.
It may of course be a separate thread or something you wouldn't necessarily agree with on the site but I'll start with two good day ride caffs for me which could obviously be used by others on longer rides.
1. The Haven Cafe, Leith, Edinburgh. Great food and service, close to The Royal Yatch Britannia, Edinburgh city centre and great roads like the A68 and A7. Not far from the new crossing.
2. The Drift Cafe, Cresswell, Northumberland, all types of food, lovely people and right on the Dunes with good access via the coast roads to Amble, Alnmouth, Alnwick etc.

Find An Excuse To Explore Ren - The Ed said :-
Aaaahh the National Trust. Back in't day the bike club I were in would do a few bike rallies. On the Saturday afternoon rather than sitting in a grubby field getting drunk we'd ride out and oft times end up at a National Trust place of some description. I recall the tour guide at Bolton Abbey being well informed, entertaining and humorous. He really brought the place to life.

It's a consideration but not without issues. Walking around country houses wearing bike kit and boots and carrying a helmet and dripping on their pristine floors is sometimes frowned upon. There's the cost too. Oh - and it is UK based - Europe?

Jim - have I said something to upset you? Trying to get me killed in a training exercise isn't very nice. Actually I've been across the tank range in Salisbury. There's a range of some description next to St Govan's Chapel we visited in South Wales. We've been as close as you can get on road to Cape Wrath. If I recall we walked through some kind of range near Perranporth in Cornwall too. There might be some mileage in that idea Jim.

I like the idea of highest roads Ian. They'll certainly take us to some mountain ranges by default. That list is a good start too - I'm surprised at how many of them are in The Pennines as I never thought of The Pennines as being all that tall. I shall do a little more research for highest roads.

Find An Excuse To Explore Ian Soady said :-
National Trust membership is popular with a certain age range as they always have good toilets. Or so I hear......

Highest roads? see link.

As it happens we were in Barnard Castle last week on a family trip and I took the opportunity to go across the highest through road in England - the one going over Harthope Moor between Teesdale and Weardale - in the Disco of course. There's an even higher one a little further west over Coldberry End but I'm not sure that it's still open to motorised vehicles.

The roads between Weardale and Teesdale make an interesting zigzag route which I did do on a bike - the Honda Dominator I had as a commuter in the early 21st century. The lead museum at Killhope is an interesting place.

You may also feel inclined to attend classic bike events - the Beamish Trial was a recent one and that's based around the same area. They are a good excuse to go somewhere different and see elderly machines and riders in action. Have a look at the VMCC pages.

I note no-one took up my suggestion to enter the National Rally which will definitely take you to paths less trodden.
roadcyclinguk.com/rides-travel/sportive/13-highest-roads-ride-uk/ ...

Find An Excuse To Explore Pocketpete said :-
Visiting national trust places gets you out and about....

It does however require a membership. The only downside as the national trust are pretty useless with their members money.

Stone circles make an interesting diversion there are many in shape and size all over the country. Usually in remote places... Well worth hugging a few druid stones..

Find An Excuse To Explore Jim said :-
Hi Ren, how about riding the roads across military ranges? One of my favourite drives is Otterburn - fantastic scenery, challenging roads and the added bonus of being ambushed by squaddies practicing! Just don’t go when the flags are flying. There must be many others around Britain. Can’t wait to try it on the CBF125.

France Is Slowing Down, So Are We. Upt'North said :-
And now you know Ren that I can't possibly resist posting g a picture of the beer!
It was 39 degrees c and that's a view towards the Grand St.Bernard.
Nigel, it would seem you imply that speed limits are not the issue it's the people who ride/drive badly and exceed speed limits. I kind of agree. But do speed limits save lives? Depends on who you listen too, there was a study in Sweden (the Swedes like studies) some years ago where it was found that reducing speed limits on 3 lane roads did not improve KSI figures. I'm beings selective with details, but isn't that also kinda the point. Lies, damn lies and statistics.
I think we all agree with each other that inappropriate speed is bad and yes I'm also glad I don't ride in the Derbyshire Dales too often these days ( it used to be a regular) it is full of motorcyclists whose enthusiasm exceeds their abilities. It isn't just an English issue though, in one short stretch of the Stelvio this year the amount of bike parts on the road, police, paramedics, recovery vehicle's etc was alarming.
Also like you said Nigel, the lower 50 mph speed limit doesn't seem to be having such a calming behaviour on some riders. Should we lower it to 40, 30 or ban motorcyclists altogether for being bad people?
You might think that sounds an over reaction and I would have agreed until I rode through the Black Forest this year, those limits and lower were
Posted and critically, enforced on wide open A type roads. Police and cameras everywhere.
What do we want, Draconian speed limits and a speed enforcement camera every 100 yards or sensible speed limits which are safe (within reason) when drivers/riders aren't looking at their 'I' link every 5 seconds? Don't get me started on mobiles!
Have a good day y'all and Ren, I do love a mug of char.

France Is Slowing Down, So Are We. Ren - The Ed said :-
There's a time and a place for speed. Motorways (within sensible limits) and the track if you need to go all out.

You see - being me - I see both sides. This weekend I took a 200 mile ride up to Leyburn in Yorkshire. While my friend and I were not troubling the law we were rather enjoying curving the corners and as the IAM say "making progress". I enjoyed it.

Correspondingly Sharon and like to find quiet empty single track lanes and potter down them at 20mph. In fact there are times when we're chilled out and laid back we would like to go slower even on the main roads but we must not block the flow of other traffic. Then we like to up the ante a little and find traffic in our way.

This is part of what made this year's trip to Spain so good. The quiet roads in the Picos allowed us to ride at the speeds we wanted depending on our mood and our surroundings.

However we must share the roads. Ideally we would all find the correct balance between speed to allow progress of ourselves and other vehicles and a lack of speed to increase safety and reduce risk.

If we wanted totally safe roads then the limit would be 10mph - everywhere. Even then there's a tiny risk. Imagine though a trip from Bolton to Cornwall would take 32 hours. If we all wanted to be there ASAP then we'd have no limits anywhere but the carnage would be horrendous. I suppose you could call it population control?

Yes NigelS, it's hard not to notice the lack of police along with the corresponding drop in driving standards due to a lack of enforcement.

Beautiful Upt'North. But a beer? No thanks, a nice hot cuppa for me while looking over the wonders of nature. I've been teetotal since I was 19. Not drinking has been good for me. Flibble. Wibble. Groink. I'm fine...yik.

France Is Slowing Down, So Are We. NigelS said :-
Wife and I spent 3 weeks this summer in France and Belgium (also 80kph speed limit on rural roads) and didn't find it a problem at all. 'Fast' and agriculture (there's a lot of it on French roads) don't mix well. Here, all major routes in the Peak District (my local playground) are also 50mph but that doesn't stop the idiots. Three weeks ago a biker estimated at doing 120mph (in a 50 limit) hit a motorhome pulling out of a campsite. He killed himself and wrecked several other lives at the same time. The problem with making a law is that concomitant should be enforcement but as we know, the Police have now become an 'endangered species' because of Government spending cuts (thats another issue - don't get me started!). Speed limits are there to save lives.

France Is Slowing Down, So Are We. Upt'North said :-
It's the Col du Petit St.Bernard in the Alps between France and Italy. It was a short riding day before an early beer in Aosta. Why would you rush a day with views like that hey. It was a lovely temperature as well considering the altitude.
The bike averages about 50 mpg, but obviously physics as always gets in the way when pushing on. I would think it returns mid 40's when in, let's get there more. So you've got 250 to 300 mile range.

France Is Slowing Down, So Are We. Ren - The Ed said :-
Aaahh, the Pan. A stoic and reliable machine built for carrying people with things to far off places. Save for the fuel consumption this is my kinda bike.

I am often criticised by my friends for worrying about fuel consumption, "it's about the smiles not the miles per gallon". Yeah that's fine if you're doing the usual 2-5 thousand miles per year but at 20,000 fuel bills soon mount up.

So where was this image taken? I'm reminded of The Alps but I'm quite unsure.

Riding To Find Something Lost Fumbletrumpet said :-
Thank you Sharon, what an inspiring read on a Sunday night, with work looming tomorrow. Cheering and positive. The thing about biking is the balance you achieve as you progress.

France Is Slowing Down, So Are We. Upt'North said :-
England Ren, but about as far North as you can be without wearing a kilt and blowing into a noisy bag.
No I was referring to MPH, but not in the UK, I do tend to stick to 70/75 ish on UK motorways and Dualed A roads. Any more would be foolhardy.
But when trying to cover Europe with some progress and aplomb and when facing 4 to 500 mile days then I do like to ride at the speed limits or pinch a little. I think most EU Autoroutes are around 130 kph.
I also like to potter at 80 kph on French D roads etc but if you've ever ridden on French D roads you will know you get nowhere fast.
I also have been known to like keeping a little in the bank balance, so I appreciate your point of view.
My latest pleasure, owned for 5 years and 20000 ish miles is a 98 pan European which probably cost half of your 500. And it's still worth roughly what I paid for it. Amazing bike too. The 100 ish bhp is more than adequate.
Hope that clears things up.
Upt'North. (England)

Col du Petit St.Bernard, June 2018.

France Is Slowing Down, So Are We. Ren - The Ed said :-
Whereabouts are you Upt'North? I presume 85 to 90 refers to KMH not MPH as I'm more familiar with in the UK.

I fully accept that touring especially on motorways is easier on my 47bhp 500 than my 11bhp 125. But to anyone with a smaller capacity machine - this is not an excuse to buy a 100bhp plus motorcycle. What is the best bike for touring? The one you have already, just make it happen.

I think for solo riding with a large luggage load my 47bhp 500 is more than sufficient if you are keeping to legal limits. In fact Sharon's 27bhp 250 is perfectly adequate at legal speeds. If like myself you're happy at 55mph then a 11bhp 125 is fine too. And if you don't want to do motorways then a 50cc step through scooter is fine. There are thousands of people touring on bicycles so you do NOT need a GS1250A to see the world.

Power is a luxury, not an essential.

It's also worth noting I'd rather have a smaller cheaper bike and some money left over for a trip than to have a large ego-booster and no money to go anywhere.

France Is Slowing Down, So Are We. Upt'North said :-
Of course Ren the main point of having a bigger, more powerful, faster accelerating bike is about bragging rights; mine is bigger than yours etc. No not that, bikes. Stop sniggering at the back.
BUT, I do appreciate a motorcycle that can hold a good turn of speed, whilst loaded to the gunnels with pillion and luggage.
This good turn of speed would be about what is allowed in the EU, typically 85 to 90 ish on the Autoroutes. After all what's the point of travelling on god awful Autoroutes if you can't get to your destination quicker.
Do you need 180 bhp for this, obviously not.
With regards throwing chippings on derestricted roads, all ours are covered in chippings despite the national speed limit.

Blink Of An Eye Sharon said :-


I do not wish to make the site a political battleground. I agree with Ian (it appears we are often of the same mind set) but as he says this is about Bikes and Travels. I guess by the length of your post Tom this subject is something you are rather passionate about. Me too and you know I love a good debate. I don't want to write a lengthy reply because as I just said this is not the place. But I have to offer some response or it may appear I am unable to stand by my own beliefs.

I feel I have to point out that I said EXTREME wealth offends me. The kind of wealth the one person owns that could never be spent on a thousand lifetimes. The kind of wealth that didn't come through work but privilege. The kind of wealth that lives in a mansion with 10 spare empty bedrooms while homeless people sleep in streets. The kind of wealth that will spend more money on a bottle of champagne than it would cost to give a cancer patient the drugs they need to live. Yes this offends me. Not through envy but because of humanity.

Personally do I believe I should be paid more than the cleaners in my workplace? No I think we should be equal because they are at work doing their job just like am I. My job is a different one, not a better one. If the cleaners, be they window ones or any other type didn't clean then we would all be buried in shit.

Funny is it not how when the lowest paid workers demand a higher rate of pay the corporation they work for declare that the company would close down if it raised their pay. But somehow that same company does not close down when it increases the pay and bonuses of those at the very top.

The idea that wealthy countries support the needy in a fairytale. The idea that the wealth drips down to the poor is not only insulting but a complete lie. If this were true then how can the gap between rich and poor keep growing? The river of wealth does not flow to the parched dry lands, why because the rich build damns with their wealth to protect what they believe is theirs and theirs alone. Even though the truth was that river belonged once to all men equally but they privatised it and called it progress.

Wealthy people often justify their greater wealth by saying they work harder than the poor and that's why the have more. This is yet another untruth of the world today. Does anyone really believe that a fashion designer works harder then the kids in the sweatshops sewing their designs.

A land of opportunity is only a land of opportunity when those opportunities are available equally to all. Not when it is all down to happenstance and circumstances.
A more equal society is known to be a happier one with less crime and therefore less fear. Everyone could benefit from equality be they rich or poor, so why not strive for it.

Tom I have friends who are on the complete opposite end of my own beliefs. I have a dear friend who has worked for the very political party I despise. Having opposing beliefs does not makes us enemies. If anything people who oppose each others beliefs are the very people who should talk to one another. My friend Lou and I can have some very heated debates but we always part the best of friends. I don't need the comfort of agreement, I don't look to disagree but I will whole heartedly engage in debate. So if you wish to debate with me invite me round for tea and let the fun begin. We can then leave this platform clear for motorbikes...bharpppp.

Royal Enfield Himalayan Test Ride Review Borsuk said :-
Thanks chasps.

I had heard that when off-roading the ABS tended to be over sensitive on loose ground resulting in your brakes being erratic to say the least. I was only interested in where the fuses were in case some thing went bang on my way home; this was probably prompted in my brain by an LED light bulb in the house going fizz that morning followed by pop and smoke issuing out of the side of the bulb body, but it must be a normal thing to do for those who have the Himalayan as the mechanic showed me where they normally fit the switch. The temporary tool kit I had assembled for bringing the bike home contains a handful of fuses, a couple of led torches and paracord to rig temp lights with just in case.
I am looking forward to exploring the various tracks in the area and those further afield, it was one of the reasons I got the quad but it spends most of its time with a trailer attached working for its living.

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